bad stuff about GB WR's, season may hinge on Jennings

[Tarlam!]

And it's quite possibly the best in the division.

(...)Driver is the best receiver in the division. None of the teams have a legit #2 receiver.

Harvey, this is great research and gives me a tonne of hope, indeed! Thanks.

How do our WR's compare in your opinion to the CB's we will face this year - that's more of an indication of chances of success.

We I see our DB's, I get a warm fuzzy feeling when I line them up against the WR's you listed....

[Bretsky]

Re: bad stuff about GB WR's, season may hinge on Jennings

When the Green Bay Packers traded wide receiver Javon Walker to Denver it officially left a huge void in the Packers’ passing game – who’s the big-time playmaker?

i would like to correct that.

when javon blew out his knee in the first game of 2005 it left a huge void in green bay's passing game.

i seem to be in the minority about this, but i don't see javon being more than mediocre at best in 2006. if he returns to form it probably won't be until at least 2007.

it also won't surprise me one bit if javon's emotional instability creates strife in denver as well.

Fritz,

From a person who has went through the recovery period from a torn ACL, I would second your thoughts. I figured he'll be decent in 2006 and return to star status in 2007 when his knee is fully recovered.

[mraynrand]

Boerigter is also intriguing to me, although I am NOT counting on him for anything. Someone suggested he is a possession type receiver. I disagree. He has speed and was dangerous because of his big-play potential when he was healthy. In 2002 he has 8 TDs on 20 recptions. These were not Bubba Franks type TDs. He averaged 21 yards per recpetion, with 6 of his 20 receptions being for 20 yards or more.

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I think I lumped him in the Keyshawn/Jurevicius category. You're right about big plays from Boerigter. He had TDs of 44, 51, and 99 yards in 2002. He was feast or famine with 100 plus yard games (only against San Diego) and games where he'd disappear with no receptions.

Probably the easiest conclusion about the guy is that there aren't enough data points to really know what he'll offer. But it would be gravy if he still has speed following his injuries and can stretch the field.

[Patler]

Probably the easiest conclusion about the guy is that there aren't enough data points to really know what he'll offer. But it would be gravy if he still has speed following his injuries and can stretch the field.

I agree completely, which is what makes him very interesting, but not a player to count on. If he turns out to be a contributer, so much the better. If not, it was worth a shot, anyway.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: bad stuff about GB WR's, season may hinge on Jennings

I figured he'll be decent in 2006 and return to star status in 2007 when his knee is fully recovered.

I think this is right.

But I've been thinking about the level of risk Denver is taking with Walker: it's no different than laying out big bucks for a first round draft choice. The chances of a Walker recovering fully from his injuries in a year are probably at least as good as a first round draft pick becoming a star in a year. And Walker will be a star if he recovers.

I think Denver probably did well for themselves. Packers made best of bad situation.

[Patler]

Denver's financial risk based on Walker's new contract is similar to a fairly high first round draft choice. It's less risky because he has already proven he can play at a high level. It is more risky because he is "damaged goods" and his "useful life" as a player is much shorter at his age.

As I recall, the articles indicated Walker had no cartilage damage or other trauma to the knee. Pro athletes recover very well from "simple" ACL repairs. Absent another injury, Walker should be fine, even this season. It will be 12 months already at the start of the season.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Denver's financial risk based on Walker's new contract is similar to a fairly high first round draft choice. It's less risky because he has already proven he can play at a high level. It is more risky because he is "damaged goods" and his "useful life" as a player is much shorter at his age.

As I recall, the articles indicated Walker had no cartilage damage or other trauma to the knee. Pro athletes recover very well from "simple" ACL repairs. Absent another injury, Walker should be fine, even this season. It will be 12 months already at the start of the season.

Agreed, but the financial risk is similar to a REALLY high first round pick--not just a FAIRLY high.

[Bretsky]

Denver's financial risk based on Walker's new contract is similar to a fairly high first round draft choice. It's less risky because he has already proven he can play at a high level. It is more risky because he is "damaged goods" and his "useful life" as a player is much shorter at his age.

As I recall, the articles indicated Walker had no cartilage damage or other trauma to the knee. Pro athletes recover very well from "simple" ACL repairs. Absent another injury, Walker should be fine, even this season. It will be 12 months already at the start of the season.

There aren't many athletes that excel the first year back from an ACL tear.
The ACL rehab is much harder than cartiledge issues. My therapist said best case for me was full recovery in six months; then when I expressed frustration she was honest in saying most take 12-18 months before they hit 100%. And that last 10% is tough to get through.

The two best examples I have to refer to are Lee Evans and Willis McGahee.
Both didn't really hit full stride until their second year back from football. With Evans it seemed a bit sooner, but he was injured early spring in August or so and then didn't play any real good Big 10 Competition til October. But he still worked through soreness/stiffness the year he came back. I'm sure Walker will be decent this year, but it'd be a rarity if he doens't have to work through a lot of soreness and pain. Most likely he won't excel til the year after next.

[Patler]

The difference between what you experienced and what Walker will experience could be vast. I don't know you Bretsky, so maybe I'm wrong, but there is a remote possibility that Walker was in better physical condition than you before his injury, probably rehabs more effectively than you did, and has the absolute best facilities, daily consultations, treatments, specialized care, etc all geared toward the quickest and best receovery possible. He has had nothing to do since September except work toward his recovery.

Walker will be a full 12 months past his injury when the season starts. The worst will be long over.

Hope I haven't insulted you Bretsky!

[Rastak]

The difference between what you experienced and what Walker will experience could be vast. I don't know you Bretsky, so maybe I'm wrong, but there is a remote possibility that Walker was in better physical condition than you before his injury, probably rehabs more effectively than you did, and has the absolute best facilities, daily consultations, treatments, specialized care, etc all geared toward the quickest and best receovery possible. He has had nothing to do since September except work toward his recovery.

Walker will be a full 12 months past his injury when the season starts. The worst will be long over.

Hope I haven't insulted you Bretsky!

Oh I doubt it ....I agree with you also.....it's far different when you and I rehab compared with a multi-million dollar asset whose entire job is to rehab.


Anyway, I guess we'll see soon enough.

[Guiness]

Oh I doubt it ....I agree with you also.....it's far different when you and I rehab compared with a multi-million dollar asset whose entire job is to rehab.

Anyway, I guess we'll see soon enough.

And, of course, no banned substances that clear the system within 12 months were used during that period of time!

[Patler]

Oh I doubt it ....I agree with you also.....it's far different when you and I rehab compared with a multi-million dollar asset whose entire job is to rehab.

Anyway, I guess we'll see soon enough.

And, of course, no banned substances that clear the system within 12 months were used during that period of time!

Interesting thought! But those substances probably are not banned when part of a doctor-prescribed therapy for injury recovery!

[Bretsky]

Oh I doubt it ....I agree with you also.....it's far different when you and I rehab compared with a multi-million dollar asset whose entire job is to rehab.

Anyway, I guess we'll see soon enough.

And, of course, no banned substances that clear the system within 12 months were used during that period of time!

Interesting thought! But those substances probably are not banned when part of a doctor-prescribed therapy for injury recovery!

True, I didn't get any banned substances

But I'll still defer to looking at Lee Evans and Willis McGahee. Evans is probably the better comparison since he just tore his ACL. He sat out an entire year and was still not 100% as a senior at UW-Madison.