Official Winners and Losers Week 4

[Patler]

You should rely on your strong legged punter and defense rather than a running game that is clearly the weakness of the entire team.

You mean the strong legged punter who still seems to shank one every game? I like his potential, but Ryan doesn't give me a lot of comfort/confidence yet either.

[The Leaper]

You mean the strong legged punter who still seems to shank one every game? I like his potential, but Ryan doesn't give me a lot of comfort/confidence yet either.

The funny thing is that I can't recall too many times Ryan has failed miserably in a pressure situation. Granted, shanks and line drives are never going to come at a "good" time...but if the team is backed up or it is a needed kick late in the game to pin the opposition deep, Ryan has seemed to come through more than not.

That's just from my memory though...perhaps I'm crazy.

[Little Whiskey]

they were at the 40 or 45 yard line. he would have to have had an amazing shank to give them favorable field postition.

[Patler]

they were at the 40 or 45 yard line. he would have to have had an amazing shank to give them favorable field postition.

Or a low liner returned for 20-30 yards.

[Patler]

The funny thing is that I can't recall too many times Ryan has failed miserably in a pressure situation. Granted, shanks and line drives are never going to come at a "good" time...but if the team is backed up or it is a needed kick late in the game to pin the opposition deep, Ryan has seemed to come through more than not.

That's just from my memory though...perhaps I'm crazy.

Well, not a miserable failure, but somewhat similar situation in Philly game: 4th qtr, 1:09 remaining, score tied;
4th down at the GB40
Ryan punts 29 yards to the Philadelphia 31.

We forget this bad punt because it was muffed, GB recovered and kicked the winning FG. Had it been fielded cleanly the game could have ended quite differently if McNabb completed a few passes.

[MJZiggy]

The funny thing is that I can't recall too many times Ryan has failed miserably in a pressure situation. Granted, shanks and line drives are never going to come at a "good" time...but if the team is backed up or it is a needed kick late in the game to pin the opposition deep, Ryan has seemed to come through more than not.

That's just from my memory though...perhaps I'm crazy.

Well, not a miserable failure, but somewhat similar situation in Philly game: 4th qtr, 1:09 remaining, score tied;
4th down at the GB40
Ryan punts 29 yards to the Philadelphia 31.

We forget this bad punt because it was muffed, GB recovered and kicked the winning FG.

Is muffed being a little generous? Didn't the returner get cremated upon catching it and simply dropped the ball? (Or am I thinking of the other one?)

[HarveyWallbangers]

Is muffed being a little generous? Didn't the returner get cremated upon catching it and simply dropped the ball? (Or am I thinking of the other one?)

The other one. This one, the returner ran up the field 20 yards and tried to make a diving grab on a bad punt.

[The Leaper]

We forget this bad punt because it was muffed, GB recovered and kicked the winning FG. Had it been fielded cleanly the game could have ended quite differently if McNabb completed a few passes.

True, that is an instance where Ryan faltered in the clutch. A 30 yard net punt isn't the end of the world in that situation, but it wasn't exactly a success either...until the punt returner decided to play hot potato.

[Patler]

The funny thing is that I can't recall too many times Ryan has failed miserably in a pressure situation. Granted, shanks and line drives are never going to come at a "good" time...but if the team is backed up or it is a needed kick late in the game to pin the opposition deep, Ryan has seemed to come through more than not.

That's just from my memory though...perhaps I'm crazy.

Well, not a miserable failure, but somewhat similar situation in Philly game: 4th qtr, 1:09 remaining, score tied;
4th down at the GB40
Ryan punts 29 yards to the Philadelphia 31.

We forget this bad punt because it was muffed, GB recovered and kicked the winning FG.

Is muffed being a little generous? Didn't the returner get cremated upon catching it and simply dropped the ball? (Or am I thinking of the other one?)

Just my obsession with accuracy! It was ruled a "muff" - meaning he never had control of it. This is important because you can not advance a muffed punt that you recover, but if he catches it and "fumbles" instead, you can advance it if you recover. The officials ruled a "muff".

[Patler]

We forget this bad punt because it was muffed, GB recovered and kicked the winning FG. Had it been fielded cleanly the game could have ended quite differently if McNabb completed a few passes.

True, that is an instance where Ryan faltered in the clutch. A 30 yard net punt isn't the end of the world in that situation, but it wasn't exactly a success either...until the punt returner decided to play hot potato.

Thinking back on that game, GB was very fortunate to win in many ways. But as "they" say, often you make your own good-fortune!

[The Leaper]

I just can't get that first punt recovery out of my mind...mainly because of the angle where Siragusa was standing there, looking as if he really wanted to jump right on top of the pile himself.

Perhaps he should vie for the KC Chiefs mascot job.

[SkinBasket]

Thinking back on that game, GB was very fortunate to win in many ways. But as "they" say, often you make your own good-fortune!

"They" being fortune cookies?

[The Leaper]

But as "they" say, often you make your own good-fortune!

in bed?

[woodbuck27]

You should rely on your strong legged punter and defense rather than a running game that is clearly the weakness of the entire team.

You mean the strong legged punter who still seems to shank one every game? I like his potential, but Ryan doesn't give me a lot of comfort/confidence yet either.

Patler you know better than that.

If you do not, then the rag here is that MM simply made an error in judgement, and we (slash - I) believe that he will not go there again and certainly NOT as our running game exists at the present time.

Our running game thus far into the schedule:

We have had the grand total of 11 first downs rushing in 4 games (32nd in the NFL) on only 79 rushes (30th in the NFL).

We avg. a whooping 2.7 yards per carry (again last in the NFL).

3 x 2.7 = 8.1 yards.

Patler . . . you would consider a rush again on 4th down because Jon Ryan might shank a punt (question mark)

John Ryan is punting for a 42.5 yard avg. (18th in NFL) with a net avg. of 40.4 yards ( 5th in NFL ). That is relatively very good compared to all NFL teams to date in 2007.

Statistics fr. NFL.COM. :

The best net avg. in the NFL belongs to the Raiders at 44.1 yards.

2nd is the 49ers at 42.6.

3rd is the Rams at 40.9

4th is the Redskins at 40.5

Jon Ryan and the Packer ST punt coverage is 5th best in the NFL.

With the state of our pathetic running game Vs the comparitive success of the Packer punting. See above.

The decision not to rush, rather on three downs to kneel (Center and FAVRE only) and punt on 4th down is clearly the most protective means of preventing the Vikings an opportunity for better field position.

More opportunity to score a TD, and a 2 Pt. conversion sets us in the loss column as well as a Viking score first in OT.

It is OK.

MM is on a learning curve.

and he just almost paid for his error in judgement.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

An excellent write up Deputy Nutz.

A heads up for all here.

GO PACKERS !