Favre/ARod

[HarveyWallbangers]

If Favre keeps playing like he is, I hope he stays around for a few more years. However, you have to feel for ARod a bit. It has to be tough sitting on the bench for 3 or more years. I'm glad his attitude is still good.

Two questions:

1) Favre's decision making this year has been rock solid. I continually hear McCarthy's phrase about not throwing "late over the middle" and it seems like Favre has cut down on that a lot. How much credit do you give McCarthy for Favre's game management?

2) McCarthy made the comment, when talking about Tavaris Jackson, that it is ideal for a QB to play in his 3rd year. This is Rodgers 3rd year and he looked "ready" in the pre-season. Assuming a likely scenario of the Packers making the playoffs but not winning the Super Bowl, I have to think that Favre comes back in 2008. Do you think that the most likely option, then, is that Rodgers gets traded and we draft a QB from a stable of pretty good options (Brennen, Brohm, Woodson, Booty, etc)? He's gotta be "chomping at the bit" and from what I understand, he's missing out on a lot of $ due to lack of playing time.

MIKE VANDERMAUSE: McCarthy tries to downplay his role in Favre’s decision-making and great start, but I am convinced the coach has a little something to do with Favre’s performance this season. For starters, he stresses not making mistakes. In addition, he displays a lot of confidence in Favre and has let him call or change more plays at the line of scrimmage than ever before. I think McCarthy and Favre have an excellent working relationship.

As for Aaron Rodgers’ future, I still believe it will be in Green Bay. I think Favre will stick around through 2008 and ride the current Packers’ resurgence to a potential deep playoff run. Rodgers told the Press-Gazette’s Rob Demovsky a couple weeks ago he wouldn’t ask for a trade, even if Favre stays beyond this season.

[Freak Out]

Rogers understands that the Packers are being built for the future and he is part of that. Favre is not going to play forever and his time will come. Even if old #4 plays in 2008 he probably will not go beyond that....or will he?

[]{ilr]3]

A-Rod was quite young when he was drafted as well. He might not be over 25 years old at this point, so even if Favre plays anouther year, he has a lot of years to play left in him .

[retailguy]

A-rod could be in a great position. He might be good, but might not be. If Favre comes back for 2008 and doesn't get hurt, A-Rod will be renegotiating to a certain degree on "potential". Therefore he might get a shorter term deal, with the potential for another contract down the road.

Plus, he'll have a better supporting cast surrounding him, than he would have had last year, or this year, so that'll help too.

Collecting 7mill, or whatever it was to hold the clipboard for Favre is a pretty good gig, I guess. I'd be too competitive for it, but hey, it's not a bad consolation prize though, you know?

[HarveyWallbangers]

The money is all well and good, but I'm sure ARod has some pride, and would like to make his mark on the league. What if he turns out to be a great player? Then, he'll have sat for at least 3 (and who knows, maybe 4 or 5) years of his career. Don't get me wrong, I hope Favre continues to play and play well, but it has to be a tough situation for him.

[Rastak]

The money is all well and good, but I'm sure ARod has some pride, and would like to make his mark on the league. What if he turns out to be a great player? Then, he'll have sat for at least 3 (and who knows, maybe 4 or 5) years of his career. Don't get me wrong, I hope Favre continues to play and play well, but it has to be a tough situation for him.

Yea, I've been saying that for a while....but damn, Favre is lights out this season. How can you push him out the door when he's playing like this? And how can Rodgers just sit tight for it?

[Jimx29]

Re: Favre/ARod

[quote="HarveyWallbangers"]If Favre keeps playing like he is, I hope he stays around for a few more years. However, you have to feel for ARod a bit. It has to be tough sitting on the bench for 3 or more years. I'm glad his attitude is still good.

[quote]I'd have a pretty good attitude too if alls I did game day was carry around a clipboard and make 1.8 mil.(?) doing that

[Partial]

The money is all well and good, but I'm sure ARod has some pride, and would like to make his mark on the league. What if he turns out to be a great player? Then, he'll have sat for at least 3 (and who knows, maybe 4 or 5) years of his career. Don't get me wrong, I hope Favre continues to play and play well, but it has to be a tough situation for him.

I think if Favre commits to next year they will have to hope Rodgers has a big pre-season and shop him. It actually kind of sucks for the Packers to be in that situation, but it would be pretty disrespectful to him to keep him riding the pine for a 4th season.

[woodbuck27]

How many truly great players ever come along in the NFL (Question mark).

The saying the cream rises to the top applies to two players that are to date this season playing as well as they ever have.

Both of these players have set NFL records in the first four seasonal games of 2007.

One of them is a Great Green Bay Packer QB that most Packer fans love and respect. QB Brett Favre. We are well aware of what Brett has done to start this season leading our team to four victories.

We ponder how he got his level of play to where it has gotten through four games.

I believe that he prepared himself carefully for this season, starting with his ankle surgery to remove bone spurs. He also did a wee bit of Packer PR work to attempt to see the other great player (see below) in his locker room. As events transpired Favre was disappointed and just maybe a little pissed.

We know what happens when Favre is upset. Rather than lay down he reacts as all greats do. He simply buckles in to doing what is necessary to overcome any pain, hurt or disappointment. To overcome adversity. To try harder to win.

Great football players only want to and play to win.

The other player was in the sights of Favre who coveted him as a teammate, the remarkable WR Randy Moss who found his happy place in New England. He found his great talents again matched up with another great QB in Tom Brady.

Randy Moss placed exclamation marks after his greatness last night in another easy New England victory over the Cincinatti Bengals.

Last night Randy Moss set an NFL record for the first four games of a regular season. Again and for four consecutive games Randy Moss made receptions for over 100 yards to set a record of accomplishment never done before in the long history of the NFL and the forward pass.

Great players learn before they enter the NFL how to determine their own greatness with results that are easily recognized. They are so in your face great that their greatness is obvious to most. It is obvious because of the excitment they return to us as fans while exhibiting that greatness.

How is greatness acquired (Question mark). I feel it just is inside of a particular football player.

Now I turn to the question of whether or not I should feel sorry, or in my guts, bad for a backup QB named Aaron Rodgers. A young and really untested NFL QB who may well ride again behind Favre in 2008.

My response to that is easy.

NO!

What has Aaron Rodgers ever done for me (and for you) as a Packer fan, to inspire any feelings, even remotely resembling obvious greatness at his position of QB (Question Mark)

Brett Favre has always exibited obvious potential greatness as he developed in his chosen sport of football. .fr HS - to College - to the NFL.

Randy Moss has showed us his greatness as a Viking and before he entered the NFL.

Favre and Moss cannot be beaten for the high level of play they deliver to us. Some fans hunger to see that greatness and support longer careers for both of these exceptional football players because we realize that greatness is rare.

A choice between Favre and Aaron Rodgers is too easy because I want to enjoy greatness. Greatness is as rare as Favre is great.

I cannot enjoy greatness and feel sorry for the backup QB, for the logical conclusion that Favre hopefully will take that greatness again to another stage for the 2008 season and possibly more seasons.

GO PACKERS !

[Partial]

Seriously? Again? You somehow managed to take a thread about Favre playing longer than expected, and how that will affect A-Rod and turned it into a TT discussion? Seriously?

Nobody respond to this clown. Jesus H.

[The Leaper]

Re: Favre/ARod

If Favre keeps playing like he is, I hope he stays around for a few more years. However, you have to feel for ARod a bit. It has to be tough sitting on the bench for 3 or more years. I'm glad his attitude is still good.

It is easier to smile when you are pulling down a seven figure salary.

[The Leaper]

{ilr]3]A-Rod was quite young when he was drafted as well. He might not be over 25 years old at this point, so even if Favre plays anouther year, he has a lot of years to play left in him .

Actually, I don't think Rodgers is even 24 yet. Even if Favre plays 2 more years, Rodgers would still have a lengthy career ahead of him if he stayed in Green Bay.

Considering Rodgers looked solid in preseason this year, I doubt Green Bay will hold any interest in trying to move him. You will need a very good QB to step in when Favre eventually does hang it up...not some kid with a year or 2 of experience.

[cpk1994]

Seriously? Again? You somehow managed to take a thread about Favre playing longer than expected, and how that will affect A-Rod and turned it into a TT discussion? Seriously?

Nobody respond to this clown. Jesus H.

I agree, and I rest my case, your honor.

[Deputy Nutz]

Steve Young was one of the better QBs in the 90s and is a Hall of Fame QB. He had to sit a long time behind Montana even though people in the organization knew that Young had way more potential and talent than Montana, but you simply could not replace Montana on talent alone. Young had to what until Montana suffered a season ending injury against the Giants to be acknowledged as the starter in San Fran. Then the next season Montana went to Kansas City for a draft pick, Montana was happy, Young was happy, and the 49ers were happy.

Favre most likely won't play anywhere else, but at the same time Rodgers is no Steve Young, he is right handed.

[AtlPackFan]

Re: Favre/ARod

If Favre keeps playing like he is, I hope he stays around for a few more years. However, you have to feel for ARod a bit. It has to be tough sitting on the bench for 3 or more years. I'm glad his attitude is still good.

Two questions:

1) Favre's decision making this year has been rock solid. I continually hear McCarthy's phrase about not throwing "late over the middle" and it seems like Favre has cut down on that a lot. How much credit do you give McCarthy for Favre's game management?

2) McCarthy made the comment, when talking about Tavaris Jackson, that it is ideal for a QB to play in his 3rd year. This is Rodgers 3rd year and he looked "ready" in the pre-season. Assuming a likely scenario of the Packers making the playoffs but not winning the Super Bowl, I have to think that Favre comes back in 2008. Do you think that the most likely option, then, is that Rodgers gets traded and we draft a QB from a stable of pretty good options (Brennen, Brohm, Woodson, Booty, etc)? He's gotta be "chomping at the bit" and from what I understand, he's missing out on a lot of $ due to lack of playing time.

MIKE VANDERMAUSE: McCarthy tries to downplay his role in Favre’s decision-making and great start, but I am convinced the coach has a little something to do with Favre’s performance this season. For starters, he stresses not making mistakes. In addition, he displays a lot of confidence in Favre and has let him call or change more plays at the line of scrimmage than ever before. I think McCarthy and Favre have an excellent working relationship.

As for Aaron Rodgers’ future, I still believe it will be in Green Bay. I think Favre will stick around through 2008 and ride the current Packers’ resurgence to a potential deep playoff run. Rodgers told the Press-Gazette’s Rob Demovsky a couple weeks ago he wouldn’t ask for a trade, even if Favre stays beyond this season.

I would have to think that Rodgers is simply speaking the company line, saying what he needs to say to avoid controversy. But I also feel that he has to be chomping at the bit to play and I wouldn't at all be surprised that if Favre comes back in 2008 that Rodgers - behind closed doors - asks to be traded.

Any athlete who gets to this level is going to want to play and prove themselves. I can't believe Rodgers would be personally happy in any way, shape or form with holding a clipboard...happy for the team and the fact that they are winning, but not personally with not playing.