Calling an audible.....

[CaptainKickass]

Ok -

So the biggest difference in Favre's play, that I can see on the field during games, is that he seems to have been either "allowed" to, or is plain out just calling more audibles.

That's been the biggest obvious difference between Favre and Manning over the years. Manning fakes a bunch of audibles, yes, but he also lines 'em up, gets 'em on the mismatch, and then tosses the rock.

It doesn't seem like Favre's ever really attempted to be an "active" audibler the way Manning is - up until this year.

I'm also super impressed with Favre's milking of the play clock and his patened "barking" at the line to try to get the defense to jump early.



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[MJZiggy]

when M3 first started he explained this. He said that with each play he calls there are a number of options to the way the play can be run depending on how the defense lines up. The whole thing was designed to give Favre more flexibility to run the play to his best protection according to what he sees when he gets behind center, so some of it is that he is allowed more freedom. He's always had a talent for the hard count and I think it's fun to see if people jump....

[Tarlam!]

There's been a lot written about this and it seems to be the big motivator for Brett Favre to play the game somewhat less carelessly.

He appears to have taken responsibility to the next level. He has always scoffed at the thought of becoming a coach (source-Brett Favre), but he has clearly demonstrated to me through the 1st 4 games of this season that he is not only an implementor.

[Patler]

He has always scoffed at the thought of becoming a coach (source-Brett Favre),

...until last off season. He made a casual reference to it once that I saw in an interview. I was very surprised because he had insisted previously that coaching was not in his future.

Could he be a coach in the future? I think so.

Favre talks much, much more about strategy, offensive philosophy, etc. than he ever has. Not too long ago (perhaps as recently as 2005) he seemed to almost scoff at sticking to a plan rather than just trying to "make plays". By giving Favre pre-snap options for what play will be run on each and every down, and making him responsible for deciding among the options of available plays in addition to the options within the play after the ball has been snapped, McCarthy has given Favre a personal investment in the offensive scheme. Favre seems to be relishing it. It almost seems like a new challenge for him, and he always responds to challenges.

[jramsey495]

Re: Calling an audible.....

Ok -

So the biggest difference in Favre's play, that I can see on the field during games, is that he seems to have been either "allowed" to, or is plain out just calling more audibles.

That's been the biggest obvious difference between Favre and Manning over the years. Manning fakes a bunch of audibles, yes, but he also lines 'em up, gets 'em on the mismatch, and then tosses the rock.

It doesn't seem like Favre's ever really attempted to be an "active" audibler the way Manning is - up until this year.

I'm also super impressed with Favre's milking of the play clock and his patened "barking" at the line to try to get the defense to jump early.



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yeah, i notice a big difference in him milking the play clock and trying to figure out what the defense is doing.. i don't know why all qb's don't do that. it bugs the hell out of me when manning does it becuase i can't stand that guy but it's a smart thing to do.. all the credit in the world to mccarthy for getting him to play smarter, no matter how he did it. and i'll have to give credit to tt for hiring a coach that favre respects enough to listen to.

and it was perfect that 421 came on an audible. reminded me of the sb where he audibled and threw the td to... was it rison or freeman that he audibled on? i think it was rison's.

[Noodle]

You're right, Andre Bad Moon Rison, a terrific FA pickup.

[Patler]

You're right, Andre Bad Moon Rison, a terrific FA pickup.

I would hardly call it "terrific". In fact, other than the Super Bowl TD he did not have much of an impact at all. He only had 13 receptions for 135 yards and 1 TD. If it wasn't for the opening TD in the Super Bowl, I suspect many would have forgotten that he was even on the team.

Injuries at WR necessitated a late season pickup, Rison was looking for work, so Wolf signed him. No investment at all. If it didn't work out they would have canned him quickly. They sure made no effort to re-sign him.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You're right, Andre Bad Moon Rison, a terrific FA pickup.

I would hardly call it "terrific". In fact, other than the Super Bowl TD he did not have much of an impact at all. He only had 13 receptions for 135 yards and 1 TD. If it wasn't for the opening TD in the Super Bowl, I suspect many would have forgotten that he was even on the team.

Injuries at WR necessitated a late season pickup, Rison was looking for work, so Wolf signed him. No investment at all. If it didn't work out they would have canned him quickly. They sure made no effort to re-sign him.

In 5 freaking games. Not bad considering he had to learn an offense, gain brett's trust, etc. How many other guys could do that.

Considering that Free led the team with 56, the 13 isn't that low.

They didn't make an effort to resign him, not because of skill but because Wolf and others thought he wouldn't accept being a non-start. Rison himself said he was hurt about that and would've accepted the role. Rison, like many other players I feel was at the stage of his career where he wanted to be with a winner and woulda been quite happy to play with us.

Considering he played 5 more years in the league it was imho a bad decision. Furthermore when looking at who they had and where they were going it was even worse. Beebe played one more year..at the time he was the 2nd leading receiver (excluding TE), Mays never progressed, mickens was "just a guy," desmond never developed, brooks gave us one more good year.

In 97 we had only Free and Brooks as decent receivers.

Wolf while a great GM made some poor decisions at the end..rison, jones, simmons, etc.

[Patler]

The Packers had pretty much run out of receivers by the end of the season. Brooks was out for the season, Freeman was hurt, Mayes was a rookie, Howard was really just a kick returner, so who ever they picked up was going to play and the ball would be thrown to them. Rison had to start, and under the circumstances his 13 receptions were no great accomplishment.

[HarveyWallbangers]

In 5 freaking games. Not bad considering he had to learn an offense, gain brett's trust, etc. How many other guys could do that.

Considering that Free led the team with 56, the 13 isn't that low.

13 in 5 games still isn't impressive. He didn't really do much in the playoffs either--except for the big catch in the Super Bowl. God bless him though for helping in some small way. BTW, Freeman had 56 catches in 12 games. (Plus, he was a second year player who had to gain Brett's trust, right?)

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The Packers had pretty much run out of receivers by the end of the season. Brooks was out for the season, Freeman was hurt, Mayes was a rookie, Howard was really just a kick returner, so who ever they picked up was going to play and the ball would be thrown to them. Rison had to start, and under the circumstances his 13 receptions were no great accomplishment.

If that was true..whoever. How come in 97 the #3 receiver had 18 catches in 12 games. That without Keith Jackson who snared more balls the year before.

As for 1 touchdown. Ok. Perhaps you don't wanna talk about the other shoulda been td where brett missed him and threw it behind him on what shoulda been an 80 yarder.

You simply are doing revisionist history. Prior to Rison, they were 2-2, after..undefeated.

And, convenient that you don't mention the td in the san fran game.

And, my point was that it was a fine accomplishment in the short time he was here. He wasn't a west coast receiver and had to learn different routes.

The offense was really designed to get production at flanker, where newcomer Rison was still adapting to the system. And, don't kid yourself, Favre's best plays came when he broke the pocket and threw on the run. It takes a very disciplined secondary to stay with the receivers until Favre crosses the line of scrimmage. With veteran free-lancers such as Rison and Beebe, Favre loved to scramble and look for them downfield.

Furthermore, considering how the rest of those receivers turned out we definitely coulda used him.

1. Mayes..el busto
2. Mickens..oh, lord
3. beebe..tail end of career
4. Brooks..done in one

etc, etc. etc. You of all people know the numbers don't lie. And Rison's prior to GB #s were great and post GB were well above average.

Rison played 5 more years and was very productive for 5. Not going to discuss the 2 more in the CFL.

There is no way you can tell me that in 97 you would have preferred any of the #3 receivers over Rison.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

In 5 freaking games. Not bad considering he had to learn an offense, gain brett's trust, etc. How many other guys could do that.

Considering that Free led the team with 56, the 13 isn't that low.

13 in 5 games still isn't impressive. He didn't really do much in the playoffs either--except for the big catch in the Super Bowl. God bless him though for helping in some small way. BTW, Freeman had 56 catches in 12 games. (Plus, he was a second year player who had to gain Brett's trust, right?)

Learning the FLANKER on the fly.

[retailguy]

You simply are doing revisionist history. Prior to Rison, they were 2-2, after..undefeated.

Welcome to the negative side of the fence. Arguing with the mob is fruitless.

You can be right, but you'll still be wrong... (FWIW, I'll doom you and your argument by telling you I agree with you. I think the team at the end of the year without Rison would not have been as good as the team was with Rison. Clearly he helped regardless of the touchdown or no touchdown)

[the_idle_threat]

Considering all of the circumstances, I'd also agree that he was a great pickup for the time we had him.

He may have been a small addition in the grand scheme of things (especially when you look at the stats) but he was exactly what we needed at the time, and his contributions---particlularly his rapport with Favre that had developed previously when they were teammates in Atlanta---might have gotten us over the hump. Scoring early on that big play in the Super Bowl was huge.

I was pretty disappointed when Wolf let him go in the offseason.

[ZachMN]

Re: Calling an audible.....

[quote="CaptainKickass"]Ok -

So the biggest difference in Favre's play, that I can see on the field during games, is that he seems to have been either "allowed" to, or is plain out just calling more audibles.

That's been the biggest obvious difference between Favre and Manning over the years. Manning fakes a bunch of audibles, yes, but he also lines 'em up, gets 'em on the mismatch, and then tosses the rock.

It doesn't seem like Favre's ever really attempted to be an "active" audibler the way Manning is - up until this year.

I'm also super impressed with Favre's milking of the play clock and his patened "barking" at the line to try to get the defense to jump early.


YES! I was saying this all the time when Shermy Sherm was the coach. I remember the press asking Favre about the play calling and he waould say something to the effect of 'guys have to make the plays that are called' and then the talking heads would go on and on about how brilliant Manning was at surveying the D and choosing the right play based on what he sees at the line. MM is turning out to be the best thing TT has done in my opinion. The players have an attitude. There is a passion. I like it!!! He knows how to use all the tools that Favre has and that's saying a lot! Favre has seen it all has been exposed, beaten down etc. so he knows what to do and where to go. Here's to more of the new phase Brett seems to be in- one that could go on for a couple more years!!!!!