Post game chat with Cleft Crusty (Bears)

[Pacopete4]

Cleft Crusty... are you kidding me? pull in the reigns on a guy that had 3 imcompletions (2 spikes) in the first half and then he throws one bad pass and we change everything we do when the only reason we are moving the ball this season is because #4 is playing so well... totally rediculous

[Cleft Crusty]

What is the poorer strategy from GB tonight?

Chili-dip kickoffs to the 35 yard line, where you may as well just kick the ball out of bounds and eliminate the chances of a return entirely.

OR

Allowing refs into the stadium to do your game without subjecting them to a simple first grade math test first to determine if they can count anything other than the Benjamins Lovie floated their way before the game?

You at least have to somewhat question the strategy of the pooch kicks - if for no other reason than the fact that you kept your draft pick because he can tattoo the ball. Perhaps at least let him line drive kick it out the end of the endzone once? Even a pathetic offense like Chicago's can score given great field position.

[woodbuck27]

Is the play calling in the second half excusable? As far as I know, if something isn't broken, don't fix it.

Several Packers suffered injuries and Favre threw a pick right to Urlacher. McCarthy apparently chose that time to pull in the reins on Favre. Often on these boards and in my e-mails sent to the JS, I see all kinds of fans wanting Favre to be 'held accountable' for his mistakes. The only two ways to do that are to 1) bench a QB, or 2) change the playcalling so he can't kill you with terrible decisions. It appears McCarthy was responding to Favre's bad judgment and the injuries in going 'conservative' in the second half.

Yup Cleft Crusty.

Favre looked terrible on that play (toss it down tighter) than that lobe and later Brett got way too loose.

A lot went wrong with our team and coaching in that second half.

Really a shock considering a marvelous opening.

GO PACK GO !

[Cleft Crusty]

Cleft Crusty... are you kidding me? pull in the reigns on a guy that had 3 imcompletions (2 spikes) in the first half and then he throws one bad pass and we change everything we do when the only reason we are moving the ball this season is because #4 is playing so well... totally rediculous

If you read my response I gave two reasons. A third reason for McCarthy's playcalling was field position. a fourth would be the fact that the Packer defense was playing fairly well and they were facing a limited offense.

[woodbuck27]

What is the poorer strategy from GB tonight?

Chili-dip kickoffs to the 35 yard line, where you may as well just kick the ball out of bounds and eliminate the chances of a return entirely.

OR

Allowing refs into the stadium to do your game without subjecting them to a simple first grade math test first to determine if they can count anything other than the Benjamins Lovie floated their way before the game?

NFL refereeing is just ridiculous. The worst in PRO Sports.

I have never seen anyting like that early challenge by MM on the decided incomplete pass TO or what in H was that. . . and the Bears gained posssession.

That play call was really weird for me.

[Cleft Crusty]

Is the play calling in the second half excusable? As far as I know, if something isn't broken, don't fix it.

Several Packers suffered injuries and Favre threw a pick right to Urlacher. McCarthy apparently chose that time to pull in the reins on Favre. Often on these boards and in my e-mails sent to the JS, I see all kinds of fans wanting Favre to be 'held accountable' for his mistakes. The only two ways to do that are to 1) bench a QB, or 2) change the playcalling so he can't kill you with terrible decisions. It appears McCarthy was responding to Favre's bad judgment and the injuries in going 'conservative' in the second half.

Yup Cleft Crusty.

Favre looked terrible on that play (toss it down tighter) than that lobe and later Brett got way too loose.

A lot went wrong with our team and coaching in that second half.

Really a shock considering a marvelous opening.

GO PACK GO !

Yes, but you have to come to grips with the fact that Chicago is the better team, because of it's defense. They didn't get lucky, they forced turnovers. That's what elite players do. Woodson forced no turnovers and gave up one - Charles Tillman forced two and saved points. Who had the better game?

[Pacopete4]

your other reason was bench which i just chose not to mention cuz its insane.. and the whole thing about field postion?.. the only way you change it is your offense, the one thats WORKED for 4 weeks in a row, to move the ball like they are capable of doing

and NOT going into a shell and trying to play smash mouth football when the team we are playin are probably the best at playing that. We are spread ya out, let favre pick and choose matchups and get yards after the catch.. McCarthy listened to too many analysts and dumb people on this forum telling him that he cant win without a running game... well we ran this week, pretty well too... oh ya, its our first loss of the season... STICK TO WHAT WORKS MY GOD!

[woodbuck27]

Cleft Crusty... are you kidding me? pull in the reigns on a guy that had 3 imcompletions (2 spikes) in the first half and then he throws one bad pass and we change everything we do when the only reason we are moving the ball this season is because #4 is playing so well... totally rediculous

If you read my response I gave two reasons. A third reason for McCarthy's playcalling was field position. a fourth would be the fact that the Packer defense was playing fairly well and they were facing a limited offense.

Yes field position was a factor in his play calling.

[Cleft Crusty]

your other reason was bench which i just chose not to mention cuz its insane.. and the whole thing about field postion?.. the only way you change it is your offense, the one thats WORKED for 4 weeks in a row, to move the ball like they are capable of doing

But the Packers couldn't do it in the second half, because the Bear's defense stepped up their play also. The Packers weren't playing against mannequins, but one of the best defenses in all of football. Chicago was able to play field position with their offense, because they knew their defense would force turnovers and be the difference in the game. Plus, they knew all they had to do was wait for Favre to implode - and he did.

[Pacopete4]

implode? he threw one bad pass that shouldnt of been the difference maker in the game even. You talk about the bears defense like its amazing but yet gave up 340 yards against them in ONE HALF... the only.. and i mean only reason they didnt give that up in the 2nd half was the brutal play calling by mccarthy.. but your right slant passes only work when your across your own 20 yard line.. most rediculous thing ive heard

[Cleft Crusty]

implode? he threw one bad pass that shouldnt of been the difference maker in the game even. You talk about the bears defense like its amazing but yet gave up 340 yards against them in ONE HALF... the only.. and i mean only reason they didnt give that up in the 2nd half was the brutal play calling by mccarthy.. but your right slant passes only work when your across your own 20 yard line.. most rediculous thing ive heard

Who caused more turnovers? Who made the big plays? Who won the game? I'll give you a challenge. Go to your newspaper tomorrow morning or go online and look at the QBs who put up big numbers. Often times they do because they had to keep throwing to stay in games or catch up. Stats are meaningless if the opponent makes more plays. Chicago couldn't care less if Favre threw for 500 yards - they just had to keep making plays. Eilite defenses and players do that - like a Tillman or Urlcher for example. Poor players get called for facemasking when they try to tackle from out of position.

[Pacopete4]

can you name me one QB that had a huge stat day today and lost?... all i see is brady, manning, rivers, shaub that lit it up and won.. only one that didnt win is favre and only because his coach wet himself in the 2nd half

[Cleft Crusty]

can you name me one QB that had a huge stat day today and lost?... all i see is brady, manning, rivers, shaub that lit it up and won.. only one that didnt win is favre and only because his coach wet himself in the 2nd half

Anderson, CLE, 287
Brees, NO, 252
Frerrote STL, 262
Favre, GB 322

Schaub, Rivers, Manning, and Campbell had 294, 270, 253, and 248 respectively. Young and Roethlisberger had 157 and 206 respectively in wins,.

Desperate teams relying only on the pass or trying to catch up often put up big empty worthless passing stats.

[Pacopete4]

last week in the dome.. favre threw for over 350 when we were winning the whole game... week before pretty much the same... this week shoulda been the same.. shoulda ended up about 350, 2 td's, 1 int and about a 10 point win if mccarthy didnt blow it

[Harlan Huckleby]

Cleft,

I thought older, retired gentlemen like yourself ate dinner at the early bird special, then settled into bed around 8:30.

How you holding up tonight?