Mason Crosby

[Merlin]

Also, if anyone can show me where I deserved to be called a "clown" for stating my opinion I would like to see that to.

You are a clown for suggesting a rookie kicker, who was 9-for-10 coming into the game including a game winner, should be viewed as not having much potential after one game where he wasn't quite on.

If Crosby was taking out fans sitting on the goal line with duck hooks, I could see your concern. The fact of the matter was that both of his misses were damn close to being makes. It was the first poor footing game he had in Lambeau. He'll make adjustments and move on. The kid's leg is too strong and his technique too sound to worry about his potential at this point. Rayner couldn't even get on the field to kick as a rookie, so Crosby is clearly way ahead of Rayner at similar points in their careers.

Okay once again READ.....Where did I say he didn't have potential? In fact, when have I ever said that? Where'd I say we need to get rid of him? Where'd I say he sucks? Oh I see, I am not allowed to have concerns after watching a kicker with plenty of potential have bad games like this last year. I get it, you think you are the only one allowed to post an opinion and ask questions. And if anyone disagrees with you, you resort to name calling and distorting what was said. AND I AM THE CLOWN?

Oh and by the way, who was Rayner backing up? Hrmmmm? Just because you didn't like him and doesn't mean the guy didn't have potential and won't be a great kicker in the NFL. It's too early to judge either of them in that respect but then again, what do I know. <Insert words in my mouth here>.

Do I need to post the question a 3rd time or do you want to continue to ramble on incoherently?

[Patler]

Merlin;

Why in your first post, did you categorize contrary opinions as "bs" before anyone even responded? Did you expect that would promote a reasoned discussion?

You can call other's opinions "bs", but you take offense if someone refers to you as a "clown"?

[Merlin]

It's intent was to ward of the usual "The Sky is falling" BS, just as it states. I would think that was obvious. Maybe I need to type it bigger and slower next time. Can you show me where it says that all other opinions are BS? It was an attempt to facilitate a reasonable discussion and avoid the usual bullshit that almost always ends up in the conversation. Now I see that no matter what is written, the bullshit will continue. Make sure you show me where I said all other opinions are bullshit to. Or do we need to continue this bullshit of <Insert words into my mouth>.?

[Carolina_Packer]

To paraphrase Allen Iverson..."We're talkin' 'bout kickers!"

The embedded picture showing Crosby's kicking "compass"...classic! Perhaps they need to make banana hammocks for kickers and punters.

[MJZiggy]

To paraphrase Allen Iverson..."We're talkin' 'bout kickers!"

The embedded picture showing Crosby's kicking "compass"...classic! Perhaps they need to make banana hammocks for kickers and punters.

I think they're fine the way they are.

[Patler]

It's intent was to ward of the usual "The Sky is falling" BS, just as it states. I would think that was obvious. Maybe I need to type it bigger and slower next time. Can you show me where it says that all other opinions are BS? It was an attempt to facilitate a reasonable discussion and avoid the usual bullshit that almost always ends up in the conversation. Now I see that no matter what is written, the bullshit will continue. Make sure you show me where I said all other opinions are bullshit to. Or do we need to continue this bullshit of <Insert words into my mouth>.?

OK, if you want to play that game, show me where I said that you called ALL other opinions "bs"? Did you not refer to opinions of others, (I guess for YOU to understand I should have written "SOME others") as "bs"?

I responded to your post with several legitimate opinions, as did all but one other post. Of 22 responses before your initial response, 21 discussed Crosby (not all seriously) and one criticized you. Yet you elected to rant and rave about that one other post..

Are most interested in acting like the persecuted maverick of the forum, or discussing Crosby?

[HarveyWallbangers]

From the Press Gazette:

Thumbs down

At least rookie kicker Mason Crosby's misses didn't cost the Packers the game, but his footing problems were reminiscent of former kicker Ryan Longwell's missteps during his first season as the Packers kicker in 1997.

In his second game as a pro, Longwell missed a game-winning kick on a rainy day in Philadelphia and blamed it on not having the right shoes for the slippery surface.

In his sixth career game, Crosby struggled to find the right spikes on a rainy day and had the worst game of his brief pro career. He missed field goals of 46 and 38 yards and slipped on a kickoff in the second half that prompted special teams coach Mike Stock to order Crosby to change his cleats. Crosby did manage a 37-yard field goal to go 1-for-3.

His misses could have proven costly in a tight game. His first one cost the Packers a chance to grab some momentum going into the locker room at halftime and cut into Washington's 14-7 lead. He hooked a 46-yarder wide left. His miss from 38 yards in the fourth quarter hit the left upright.

Crosby had been solid in the first five games. He went 3-for-3 in his regular-season debut, including the game-winner from 42 yards with 2 seconds left against Philadelphia, and came into Sunday's game having made nine of 10 field goals. His only previous miss was a 42-yarder in Week 2 against the New York Giants.

[The Leaper]

Okay once again READ.....Where did I say he didn't have potential?

You did not directly say it. You never do, simply so you can use this rhetorical BS to make yourself feel good.

You DID indirectly say it...by claiming we should've kept Rayner, a guy who miserably faltered down the stretch last season with some rather awful looking kicks, over Crosby based on yesterday's performance. Your "see I told you so" routine is boring and tired. Where were you claiming that you were wrong about Crosby when he was 9 for 10?

You conveniently decide to post items regarding your opinions only when circumstances are favorable to your line of reasoning.

Oh I see, I am not allowed to have concerns after watching a kicker with plenty of potential have bad games like this last year. I get it, you think you are the only one allowed to post an opinion and ask questions. And if anyone disagrees with you, you resort to name calling and distorting what was said. AND I AM THE CLOWN?

Yes, you are the clown. You can have all the concern you want to. We've gone over this during preseason, and your opinion has been duly noted. Now, we have to wait for the season to progress through to completion to find out whether you are right or wrong. We can't sit here and wave our hands in air after every week...the kid will have his ups and downs, and we need to let him play all year through all types of weather in order to evaluate him.

Starting up a thread on Crosby a day after he had a less than stellar outing is hardly evidence that your opinion is right. I believe Crosby is the better choice over Rayner...did you see me start up a thread telling you where to stick it after week one?

It's too early to judge either of them in that respect but then again, what do I know.

So why is this thread even here then? We know your opinion...all you have to do is search previous threads on the topic to figure that out.

Clearly, you started this thread simply because you wanted to pick a fight with someone...which is why, as Patler pointed out, you ignored 20+ reasonable replies to focus on the one negative one.

Therefore, you are a clown.

[Joemailman]

I interrupt this little spat for some information that may, in part explain Crosby's problems on Sunday.

Notebook: Crosby's accuracy goes slip-sliding away

By Rob Demovsky and Pete Dougherty
rdemovsk@greenbaypressgazette.com and pdougher@greenbaypressgazette.com

Rookie kicker Mason Crosby changed shoes twice before finding the right ones to combat the slippery turf at Lambeau Field on Sunday afternoon, but by that time, it was too late.

He already had missed two field goals and badly mis-hit one kickoff.

Crosby had problems with his footing during the Green Bay Packers' 17-14 win over the Washington Redskins. He changed to longer spikes early in the second half and did so again later in the half before getting comfortable. The poor footing was at least partially to blame for Crosby's missed field goals from 46 yards (wide left) and 38 yards (off the left upright).

"The surface started getting slick, and you have to try and keep your footing," Crosby said. "I thought I hit those balls well, but they just kind of drifted on me."

Crosby said without being sure of his footing, he didn't plant as firmly as he normally would.

"You don't attack it as much and some of that causes a problem," said Crosby, who made a 37-yard field goal in the third quarter. "You turn your hips before you swing the leg through, and I just had a little draw on them, so they drifted a little bit too much at the end."

Equipment manager Red Batty helped Crosby change to half-inch spikes after he slipped on a third-quarter kickoff, and Batty found a different shoe for Crosby.

"I thought the footing was good, but we've just got to wear the right shoes and wear the right cleats," special-teams coach Mike Stock said. "He came out and practiced before the second half. That's where you decide whether the footing is going to be OK with the shoes you have. When he came out, it appeared to be OK, but when he slipped on that approach, I said, 'You better change your shoes now.'"

Crosby missed only one field goal during his first five games.

[cpk1994]

It's intent was to ward of the usual "The Sky is falling" BS, just as it states. I would think that was obvious. Maybe I need to type it bigger and slower next time. Can you show me where it says that all other opinions are BS? It was an attempt to facilitate a reasonable discussion and avoid the usual bullshit that almost always ends up in the conversation. Now I see that no matter what is written, the bullshit will continue. Make sure you show me where I said all other opinions are bullshit to. Or do we need to continue this bullshit of <Insert words into my mouth>.?

OK, if you want to play that game, show me where I said that you called ALL other opinions "bs"? Did you not refer to opinions of others, (I guess for YOU to understand I should have written "SOME others") as "bs"?

I responded to your post with several legitimate opinions, as did all but one other post. Of 22 responses before your initial response, 21 discussed Crosby (not all seriously) and one criticized you. Yet you elected to rant and rave about that one other post..

Are most interested in acting like the persecuted maverick of the forum, or discussing Crosby?

Go easy on him, It just his stupidity on Aaron Rodgers seems to have seeped onto Crosby.

[Merlin]

It's intent was to ward of the usual "The Sky is falling" BS, just as it states. I would think that was obvious. Maybe I need to type it bigger and slower next time. Can you show me where it says that all other opinions are BS? It was an attempt to facilitate a reasonable discussion and avoid the usual bullshit that almost always ends up in the conversation. Now I see that no matter what is written, the bullshit will continue. Make sure you show me where I said all other opinions are bullshit to. Or do we need to continue this bullshit of <Insert words into my mouth>.?

OK, if you want to play that game, show me where I said that you called ALL other opinions "bs"? Did you not refer to opinions of others, (I guess for YOU to understand I should have written "SOME others") as "bs"?

I responded to your post with several legitimate opinions, as did all but one other post. Of 22 responses before your initial response, 21 discussed Crosby (not all seriously) and one criticized you. Yet you elected to rant and rave about that one other post..

Are most interested in acting like the persecuted maverick of the forum, or discussing Crosby?

"Why in your first post, did you categorize contrary opinions as "bs" before anyone even responded? "

Sorry Mr semantic, "contrary", "all". I was addressing one specific opinion that is dismiss able on it's face.

And there was only one rant and rave about one specific post?

Really, there were at least three I addressed. Is your name eyeore? I know mine isn't. I don't give a rats ass what you or anyone else thinks about me. I do find it very entertaining to see how my words are twisted and the name calling just because I asked a question you didn't like. I get it, you have a hard on for Crosby.

[Partial]

So far Rayner is 8/10, and Crosby is 10/13. Not a huge difference. 80% versus 76%. Crosby will get his numbers back up, no need to worry.

[Merlin]

Does anyone else have the same concerns?

That is the question.

If anyone can show me where I said we should dump they guy, he sucks, and all of that, please feel free to show me.

Also, if anyone can show me where I deserved to be called a "clown" for stating my opinion I would like to see that to.

Like I have always said, when people don't read or don't have a valid argument, they resort to distorting what was written and name calling.

Of all the responses to your post, it appears all but one simply respectfully disagreed with your concern. I wouldn't worry too much about the one response.

That being said, your initial post didn't come right out and say it, but there was a confrontational overtone seemingly indicating a strongly negative feeling on your part about Crosby. It seemed more than just a "concern".

You wrote:

So far this season I am not convinced he was the one to keep. His first poor weather performance in Lambeau and he misses two of three. His kick offs were shaky as well. All I heard before the kicker decision was made is that he is a cold weather kicker and how much better then Rayner he is and that he was younger and youth is the better way to go. It wasn't proven in camp that he was the better kicker, it was a tie. His first cold weather game he chokes, and he is only a year younger then Rayner. So before I get all of the "sky is falling" bs from the people who support 3T and think we are all that and a bag of chips (basically those of you who like to take shit out of context), does anyone else have the same concerns?

He didn't look confident at all out there to me and that is a regression as far as I am concerned. I am not looking for anyone to jump off their bandwagon here but if your kicker in a close game at Lambeau in the weather chokes, that isn't a good thing.

So you are upset because one poster referred to you as a "clown"
But you pre-emptively categorized others opinions as "bs"?
I think you could have anticipated one or two strong reactions.

Personally, I think you over-reacted to one game. Maybe it will be a pattern and he will not be suited for GB. I won't be concerned until it is repeated.

Let's see where to start:

A) When you disagree with someone, call them a name. Don't back up your argument

B) I have already put your blanket "other opinions" are BS to rest because you can't read.

C) I over-reacted to one game. Yeah okay that's it. I asked a question because it was eerily familiar. Let me guess, after Rayner had a shitty game, your first reaction was "oh well". RIGHT. I am an over-reactor yet you are the one <Insert words into my mouth>. Seems to me you take yourself WAY too seriously.

Give me a break. You didn't like what I said, twisted it until it met your needs and posted inaccurate statements. I respond you continue the same false argument. Do you need a Kotex or something?

[Merlin]

It's intent was to ward of the usual "The Sky is falling" BS, just as it states. I would think that was obvious. Maybe I need to type it bigger and slower next time. Can you show me where it says that all other opinions are BS? It was an attempt to facilitate a reasonable discussion and avoid the usual bullshit that almost always ends up in the conversation. Now I see that no matter what is written, the bullshit will continue. Make sure you show me where I said all other opinions are bullshit to. Or do we need to continue this bullshit of <Insert words into my mouth>.?

OK, if you want to play that game, show me where I said that you called ALL other opinions "bs"? Did you not refer to opinions of others, (I guess for YOU to understand I should have written "SOME others") as "bs"?

I responded to your post with several legitimate opinions, as did all but one other post. Of 22 responses before your initial response, 21 discussed Crosby (not all seriously) and one criticized you. Yet you elected to rant and rave about that one other post..

Are most interested in acting like the persecuted maverick of the forum, or discussing Crosby?

Go easy on him, It just his stupidity on Aaron Rodgers seems to have seeped onto Crosby.

Now it's my stupidity? Did your mother not breast feed you or something? Do you need a hug? Did someone not tell you that you were special growing up?
Interesting that I am the stupid clown who uses opinion and facts to back up arguments and all you can do is call me a name. So tell me, how does it feel to have no friends?

[Merlin]

So far Rayner is 8/10, and Crosby is 10/13. Not a huge difference. 80% versus 76%. Crosby will get his numbers back up, no need to worry.

It's funny, but I never even looked at what Rayner was doing. I am only concerned about how this looks eerily like last season in the kicking department. I too hope he works out. But then again, you know I said Crosby sucks, he should be cut and he is a horrible kicker. And you know, I based all of that off of one game too!

No wait, that's what I was told I said. And no not by you Partial.