Mason Crosby

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think Crosby is going to be a great kicker in this league...whether he struggles this year or not. His leg is powerful and his kicking stroke is picture perfect. It's compact and it's consistent.

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I think Crosby is going to be a great kicker in this league...whether he struggles this year or not. His leg is powerful and his kicking stroke is picture perfect. It's compact and it's consistent.

2nded. He just looks like a natural

[Patler]

Does anyone else have the same concerns?

That is the question.

If anyone can show me where I said we should dump they guy, he sucks, and all of that, please feel free to show me.

Also, if anyone can show me where I deserved to be called a "clown" for stating my opinion I would like to see that to.

Like I have always said, when people don't read or don't have a valid argument, they resort to distorting what was written and name calling.

Of all the responses to your post, it appears all but one simply respectfully disagreed with your concern. I wouldn't worry too much about the one response.

That being said, your initial post didn't come right out and say it, but there was a confrontational overtone seemingly indicating a strongly negative feeling on your part about Crosby. It seemed more than just a "concern".

You wrote:

So far this season I am not convinced he was the one to keep. His first poor weather performance in Lambeau and he misses two of three. His kick offs were shaky as well. All I heard before the kicker decision was made is that he is a cold weather kicker and how much better then Rayner he is and that he was younger and youth is the better way to go. It wasn't proven in camp that he was the better kicker, it was a tie. His first cold weather game he chokes, and he is only a year younger then Rayner. So before I get all of the "sky is falling" bs from the people who support 3T and think we are all that and a bag of chips (basically those of you who like to take shit out of context), does anyone else have the same concerns?

He didn't look confident at all out there to me and that is a regression as far as I am concerned. I am not looking for anyone to jump off their bandwagon here but if your kicker in a close game at Lambeau in the weather chokes, that isn't a good thing.

So you are upset because one poster referred to you as a "clown"
But you pre-emptively categorized others opinions as "bs"?
I think you could have anticipated one or two strong reactions.

Personally, I think you over-reacted to one game. Maybe it will be a pattern and he will not be suited for GB. I won't be concerned until it is repeated.

Let's see where to start:

A) When you disagree with someone, call them a name. Don't back up your argument

B) I have already put your blanket "other opinions" are BS to rest because you can't read.

C) I over-reacted to one game. Yeah okay that's it. I asked a question because it was eerily familiar. Let me guess, after Rayner had a shitty game, your first reaction was "oh well". RIGHT. I am an over-reactor yet you are the one <Insert words into my mouth>. Seems to me you take yourself WAY too seriously.

Give me a break. You didn't like what I said, twisted it until it met your needs and posted inaccurate statements. I respond you continue the same false argument. Do you need a Kotex or something?

I believe you have me and my posts confused with someone else. Read my first response. I said I'm not concerned, but am not confident either, because kickers have to earn confidence by performance over time. I half agreed with your point, except I'm willing to let it play out over time without worrying about it.

1. When did I call you a name?
2. When have I not backed up my opinions with at least some reasoning?

Why do you make the above comments in a reply to my post?

Regarding your other remarks:

3. You have put nothing to bed regarding your FIRST post starting this thread in which you referenced at least some contrary opinions to come as "bs". You started this with a confrontational approach, which I completely ignored until you came back with the "Woe is me, I'm so persecuted" type of response, totally ignoring legitimate responses to your thread in favor of one (not me) who barked back at you.

4. Actually, I did not get overly concerned about Rayner's misses last year, nor am I overly concerned about Crosby's misses this year. I don't expect new kickers to come in and understand Lambeau as well as Longwell did before he left. Both are young kickers who I hope will get better. I would have been happy with either one of them.

5. I never questioned your right to start this thread. I think it is a good topic. I simply expressed MY opinion that I think your concern is an over-reaction at this point. Am I not allowed to disagree with you? Crosby was pretty darn good through the first 5 games, and until a trend is shown in bad weather I think it isn't something to worry about. You asked for opinions, all I did is give you mine.

6. Show me one twisted or false statement I made about your comments. If you do not see your initial post as being confrontational, I would suggest YOU are the one who needs to learn how to read your own writing. Incidentally, the ability to read and interpret your own writing in the way that others will, which may be entirely different than what you intended to convey, is a learned skill. Many arguments on bulletin boards are started because of a reader not interpreting a writing as the writer intended. It isn't always the readers fault. More often it is the writer's inability to capture accurately in written words the true thought he intends to convey. Might we have that problem here???

Now, how about commenting on my responses about Crosby, if that really is what you want to discuss. I raised all of these before I made any reference to your specific language about which you now seem so concerned:

1. Why do you think we should be concerned about this game, when Crosby has performed admirably in the first 5 games? (New comment - I am willing to give Crosby a "pass" for his first rainy game performance on the "plastic" enhanced sod of Lambeau. I am also willing to give Jones some leeway for learning a rookie lesson from the Bears last week.)

2. What about his style of kicking? I'm hopefully it will be a positive for him in bad weather.

3. Are you impressed with his hardnosed kick-coverage efforts? I am. (Better than the kickers who run to the sideline, although Longwell never ran away either.)

4. Weren't his misses "near misses", that if only a very small bit different would have eliminated any discussion at this point. ( New point of clarification - I see these different than a couple of Rayner's last year, which he missed very badly).

I will gladly discuss Crosby, if you really want to.

[Patler]

I think Crosby is going to be a great kicker in this league...whether he struggles this year or not. His leg is powerful and his kicking stroke is picture perfect. It's compact and it's consistent.

2nded. He just looks like a natural

What do the two of you think about Rayner compared to Crosby? I think Rayner will be a good, solid kicker, but never "one of the best".

I'm not exactly sure why I feel that way, probably because he really mis-hit several last year. at least one that was blocked if memory serves correctly, and one that was way, way left from the time it cleared the line of scrimmage. There just seemed something missing in consistency in the way he kicked.

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Seems like he took a much longer, slower stroke had a lot less balance and body control while doing it.

Crosby just looks like a robot the way he kicks.

[HarveyWallbangers]

What do the two of you think about Rayner compared to Crosby? I think Rayner will be a good, solid kicker, but never "one of the best".

He has good potential. He could very well develop into a great kicker. The two things I like about him are his leg strength and his mentality. Last year, he had some games where he missed a kick, but came back and nailed a FG in tough conditions later. In the Minnesota game, there were terrible conditions and he missed two kicks early, but then he came back and kicked the game winner. That says a lot to me. However, he looks like he has a loose kicking stroke to me. He's inconsistent with it. Almost like he doesn't have a set routine. To me, he'll always struggle with consistency--unless he tightens that up.

[Carolina_Packer]

OK, now how about between Merlin and Patler? Who would be the better kicker?

[Patler]

What do the two of you think about Rayner compared to Crosby? I think Rayner will be a good, solid kicker, but never "one of the best".

He has good potential. He could very well develop into a great kicker. The two things I like about him are his leg strength and his mentality. Last year, he had some games where he missed a kick, but came back and nailed a FG in tough conditions later. In the Minnesota game, there were terrible conditions and he missed two kicks early, but then he came back and kicked the game winner. That says a lot to me. However, he looks like he has a loose kicking stroke to me. He's inconsistent with it. Almost like he doesn't have a set routine. To me, he'll always struggle with consistency--unless he tightens that up.

I agree about Rayner's mental toughness. He showed it several times last year, including when he nailed two 50+ yarders at the end of the first half in one game, neither of which counted first because of a penalty on the defense that could not be declined, and the second due to a penalty on the Packers that ended the half. As I recall, the first was a new Packer record (or tied the recors) for length, and he still came back and nailed the second one immediately after the disappointment of the first kick not counting.

[Patler]

Seems like he took a much longer, slower stroke had a lot less balance and body control while doing it.

Crosby just looks like a robot the way he kicks.

That's why Longwell is good. Every time he kicks looks like every other time he kicks.

Did you see his game winner at Soldier Field yesterday? A new personal record for distance, and he did it outside in Chicago.

[cpk1994]

It's intent was to ward of the usual "The Sky is falling" BS, just as it states. I would think that was obvious. Maybe I need to type it bigger and slower next time. Can you show me where it says that all other opinions are BS? It was an attempt to facilitate a reasonable discussion and avoid the usual bullshit that almost always ends up in the conversation. Now I see that no matter what is written, the bullshit will continue. Make sure you show me where I said all other opinions are bullshit to. Or do we need to continue this bullshit of <Insert words into my mouth>.?

OK, if you want to play that game, show me where I said that you called ALL other opinions "bs"? Did you not refer to opinions of others, (I guess for YOU to understand I should have written "SOME others") as "bs"?

I responded to your post with several legitimate opinions, as did all but one other post. Of 22 responses before your initial response, 21 discussed Crosby (not all seriously) and one criticized you. Yet you elected to rant and rave about that one other post..

Are most interested in acting like the persecuted maverick of the forum, or discussing Crosby?

Go easy on him, It just his stupidity on Aaron Rodgers seems to have seeped onto Crosby.

Now it's my stupidity? Did your mother not breast feed you or something? Do you need a hug? Did someone not tell you that you were special growing up?
Interesting that I am the stupid clown who uses opinion and facts to back up arguments and all you can do is call me a name. So tell me, how does it feel to have no friends?

So you respond with chidish insults.Pot calling kettle..............

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Seems like he took a much longer, slower stroke had a lot less balance and body control while doing it.

Crosby just looks like a robot the way he kicks.

That's why Longwell is good. Every time he kicks looks like every other time he kicks.

Did you see his game winner at Soldier Field yesterday? A new personal record for distance, and he did it outside in Chicago.

I did not see the kick, but I agree, Longwell looked equally consistent and that is a good thing for Crosby. If he can come close to Longwell's accuracy while keeping his stroke as powerful as it is, he could be a very special kicker.

[The Leaper]

It's funny, but I never even looked at what Rayner was doing. I am only concerned about how this looks eerily like last season in the kicking department.

How so? Rayner had some UGLY looking kicks last year. Crosby's weren't ugly on Sunday. He missed...every kicker has bad days. The ultimate test is how a kicker bounces back. Rayner couldn't get off the mat last year toward year end. Why not give Crosby a chance to do so?

[Zool]

It's funny, but I never even looked at what Rayner was doing. I am only concerned about how this looks eerily like last season in the kicking department.

How so? Rayner had some UGLY looking kicks last year. Crosby's weren't ugly on Sunday. He missed...every kicker has bad days. The ultimate test is how a kicker bounces back. Rayner couldn't get off the mat last year toward year end. Why not give Crosby a chance to do so?

Cause its more fun to play 'I told you so' on a message board and stir up the locals. Its flagrantly obvious to me now that Merlin specifically waits for anything to back up his position because he finds all this fun. Cant believe I didnt see it before.

[cpk1994]

It's funny, but I never even looked at what Rayner was doing. I am only concerned about how this looks eerily like last season in the kicking department.

How so? Rayner had some UGLY looking kicks last year. Crosby's weren't ugly on Sunday. He missed...every kicker has bad days. The ultimate test is how a kicker bounces back. Rayner couldn't get off the mat last year toward year end. Why not give Crosby a chance to do so?

Cause its more fun to play 'I told you so' on a message board and stir up the locals. Its flagrantly obvious to me now that Merlin specifically waits for anything to back up his position because he finds all this fun. Cant believe I didnt see it before.

And becuase he failed so spectacularly with Arron Rodgers, he needed to find a new target, Crosby.

[Merlin]

So let me get this straight for future reference:

1) Don't be specific in what you say because people will take bits and pieces and roll it into their own off base agenda.

2) With that off base agenda they will insert words into your mouth and turn everything around so much that it doesn't make sense anymore.

3) Anything you say is a set up for "I told you so".

4) Never ask a question, only agree with everyone.

5) Accept the name calling because that's just what people do when they have no argument.

6) Never express concern with a rookie because they are untouchable.

Okay, have I got all of the rules down now?

I just have a small question, can we have some version of perestroika so we can move from socialism in here towards freedom of speech? I mean really, are peoples lives so lame that they have to make things up and call people names in order to feel better about their own lives?

Man, can anyone say OPRAH Show?