Time to Extend TT's contract

[Tarlam!]

I saw recently, where a journalist suggested TT needs to extend M3's deal soon to ensure his services at a reasonable rate beyond next season. I tend to agree.

Spinning that further, though, TT's deal is up after next season as well. I want him extended now. The guy has clearly demonstrated he can locate, recruit and integrate bargain rookies and FAs.

Show TT the money, BEFORE the new Prez comes.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Are you trying to spin up the board?? Or maybe some who have called Ted a Turtle??

Frankly it is the job of Bob Harlan's replacement.
In 05 I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
In 06 I hated the firing of the coaching staff and loss of so many players without any benefit in return.
07 I loved the offseason and thought it was great he didn't bring in many free agents. I have liked each of his drafts (though the 05 class has done little)

I think after the 08 season is the time to evaluate the totality of his accomplishments.

[Bretsky]

Re: Time to Extend TT's contract

I saw recently, where a journalist suggested TT needs to extend M3's deal soon to ensure his services at a reasonable rate beyond next season. I tend to agree.

Spinning that further, though, TT's deal is up after next season as well. I want him extended now. The guy has clearly demonstrated he can locate, recruit and integrate bargain rookies and FAs.

Show TT the money, BEFORE the new Prez comes.

I thought MM has a three year deal; if that is the case I'd wait til after the season.

I used to detest TT; now I'm fine with him overall......based on our record. Like Ron Wolf, I'll jump on board completely when we win a Super Bowl. I'm fine extending him when he has one year left on his deal, or at the end of this year.

To do some Patler like nitpicking, I can't think of any bargain free agent TT has brought in or successfully recruited. Pickett deal was fair, Woodsen was fair. Those are clearly his two free agent successes but neither signed below fair market value.

Manuel was a bad deal, but we didn't pay him that much. Klemm bombed out but also didn't cost much.

Then there were a slew of marginal free agents we brought in for minimal wage or near it that either made it or were eventually let go.
Ben Taylor.....Frank Walker....Matt O'Dwyer..etc.

It's tough to convince the bargain veterans to come to Green Bay to be honest. There aren't many guys wanting to take below fair market value, and when they do they seem to want to go to good weather or New England.

[vince]

Atari Bigby for starters

[RashanGary]

Atari Bigby?

EDIT: haha, great minds

[Bretsky]

Atari Bigby for starters

I was looking at unrestricted free agents as opposed to guys he signed to the practice squad and developed

[vince]

UFA's don't sign for "bargains." That's why they go that route. Either that or they aren't valued by their own team and are essentially let go.

Here are some bargains TT has signed...

Aaron Kampman, Donald Driver, Al Harris, Nick Barnett and Cullen Jenkins

[RashanGary]

I was looking at unrestricted free agents as opposed to guys he signed to the practice squad and developed

Haha, nitpicker

There is more than one way to skin a cat


There are very few successfull low wage UFA's. The UFA just isn't all it's cracked up to be.

[RashanGary]

UFA's don't sign for "bargains." That's why they go that route. Either that or they aren't valued by their own team and are essentially let go.

I agree. I have some research that I am putting in to develop a somewhat detailed, fact oriented look at building a team. I have a hypothesis that UFA should be a very small part of the whole, but we'll see where everything goes.

Ultimately, I think the areas I'm researching are very applicable to the discussions we have here and will finially put into words the concepts that I think make Ted Thompson successfull and made Mike Sherman a failure.

I'm guessing it will take me a month or two. If I was paid to do this for a living, I could probably pound it out in a week or two. Unfortunately, I have to do it in my spare time.

[rpiotr01]

Before TT is extended we have to see how he approaches this offseason. If the Packers finish the season strong and make the playoffs, that's a good sign that the team is ready to make a big SB push, and that's the time to make a big push for one or two big FAs. Think Turner. If he continues to plod after THIS season then something is wrong, then there's something he just doesn't get and then maybe it's time for him to go.

[Bretsky]

UFA's don't sign for "bargains." That's why they go that route. Either that or they aren't valued by their own team and are essentially let go.

Here are some bargains TT has signed...

Aaron Kampman, Donald Driver, Al Harris, Nick Barnett and Cullen Jenkins

UFA do sign for bargains; Ron Wolf secured a few in his days. A Thomas to the Patriots is an easy example as well.

[Bretsky]

I was looking at unrestricted free agents as opposed to guys he signed to the practice squad and developed

Haha, nitpicker

There is more than one way to skin a cat


There are very few successfull low wage UFA's. The UFA just isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Yes, you are right

[vince]

Good luck with that JH.

As far as Tarlam's original proposal, I agree, re-sign TT, although I don't think he'll be in joepardy with the new Pres. This team has gone from disaster to one of, if not the best, positions in the league in the short time Thompson has had to reroute this ship. Anyone worthy of the Presidency is smart enough to understand that.

[RashanGary]

I have a formula that I developed for roster value that is somewhat like a Newton*Meter. It's (player grade * positional value) = Roster Value. If you're thinking torque, it's force * moment, the grade being the force, the position value being the leverage. All of this info is going to be taken from respected writers (if they'll answer my questions) and a couple football posters here that I respect adn I think everyone else does too. From these numbers, I'm going to take good teams and bad teams and find a span of value that they fall under. There has never been a team of all Taco Wallaces and there will never be a team of all Payton Manning, Reggie White and Ladanian Tomlinsons. There is a limit that is approaced on each side. My goal is to come close to those limits.

From there, I'll have a Best (Let's call it 75 out of 100) and a worste (lets call it 25 out of 100). There are 50 value points (like the newton meter) between best and worste. From there, you can start anylizing how adding one player in place of another will effect the total outcome. From there, you can figure out the percentage of improvement. EXAMPLE

(change in value) / 50 (difference between worste and best) = % gain]

Then you take %gain and compare it to % of recources used and we can start discussing whether it was a good or bad decision. We'll then compare a bunch of UFA's, Draft, Fringe markets, ect. . . and get some conclusions in short term benefit and big picture benefit.



This is really basic and obviously slopped together, but this is my aim. I'm going to run it by Patler and few other people before I finish it, but I think it's going to be a somewhat meaningfull work. The scales are invented by me, using valued opinions, so they are not perfect but I think if I asked a bunch of people who understand math/physics as well as football, that they'd agree it has merit and use. We'll see though. It's just getting started. It will probably be an end of the season thing.

[ND72]

Before TT is extended we have to see how he approaches this offseason. If the Packers finish the season strong and make the playoffs, that's a good sign that the team is ready to make a big SB push, and that's the time to make a big push for one or two big FAs. Think Turner. If he continues to plod after THIS season then something is wrong, then there's something he just doesn't get and then maybe it's time for him to go.

Here's my thing about the super bowl push. By the time this team is truly ready for a Super Bowl push...which, by looking at the NFC, could be this year for all we know. But, for a true push, #4 will probably be gone, and we'll be starting a 1st time NFL starter. Now I think Aaron Rodgers can do it on this team, because Ted Thompson has built a team that favors Aaron Rodgers, all he's truly missing is a good running back. Tough defense, protect the football, etc.etc. is exactly what Aaron Rodgers needs to be a good starter in the league. But he needs a running game big time, even more than Brett Favre does.

I'm all about extending Ted Thompson. I think he took a team that was heading towards financial hardship (aka, San Fran) and put us in positions to go after some guys if/when we need to, and just like his mentor, makes some contraversial high draft picks (Greg Jennings, James Jones) and proves they are worthy. Yes, Justin Harrell is still a huge question, and not taking the Browns trade will forever anger me.....but even Ron Wolf made mistakes.

As far as McCarthy extension....I'm still on the boarder. I think he is a great week manager. He has solid practices, and holds high expectations. I think he has a good offensive mind, but I think he outthinks himself, which more experience could improve. But I still have issues with him, but am still looking forward to what he can do with this team.