No show at camp

[b bulldog]

Favre's big buddy, Chris Havel has visited Brett on numerous occassions in MS and noticed that in his "gym", he has targets set up at different yardage levels and all this talk about Brett not throwing in the offseason is BS. He also stated that it isn't uncommon for Brett to throw to the local highschool football players.

[MadtownPacker]

Favre's big buddy, Chris Havel has visited Brett on numerous occassions in MS and noticed that in his "gym", he has targets set up at different yardage levels and all this talk about Brett not throwing in the offseason is BS. He also stated that it isn't uncommon for Brett to throw to the local highschool football players.

Thats actually really cool man.

[Scott Campbell]

I think they should move training camp down to MS for Favre's last few years. Heck, that whole state is all Packer fans. They'd love it. And instead of riding kids bikes to and from practice, they can all pile on Brett's tractor.

[MJZiggy]

I think they should move training camp down to MS for Favre's last few years. Heck, that whole state is all Packer fans. They'd love it. And instead of riding kids bikes to and from practice, they can all pile on Brett's tractor.

Now that would do wonders for the local post-Katrina economy. I wonder if they have any hotels running yet...

[GBRulz]

fAVRE BASHER, WELL MAYBE DRIVER,COLLINS,BARNETT AND FRANKS SHOULDN'T SHOW EITHER. If that was the case, all of you would be pissing and moaning about it. Funny how some put the blinders on when it comes to 4.

If any of those don't show up, will you start a thread about each one of them, too?

[pbmax]

Minicamps are not voluntary according to the league. They are considered part of the contractually obligated season. New coaches get three minicamps, the rest of the teams get 2, McCarthy chose to forego the extra one before the draft.

Some OTAs are voluntary, most are not. And the offseason workout program is entirely voluntary, which is why coaches get so bent out of shape trying to Jedi mind trick the players into showing up.

[ND72]

pbmax, i was going to say this as well. These mini camps are not voluntary. If i remember right, NFL teams are allowed 2 maditory, and one volunteer camp, if they don't use the volunteer camp they can use it towards something else later (again, not realy sure). BUT...these camps are not voluntary. Players do get fined for not being at the camps.

I did actually hear Brett was going to be using that weekend as an already planned weekend for a charity event for Hurricane Katrina people, specificially his mother. We should be happy he will be there for 10 of the 14 team activities which he hasnt' been at for years.

[MJZiggy]

New coaches get three minicamps, the rest of the teams get 2, McCarthy chose to forego the extra one before the draft.

Perhaps I misunderstand. He didn't forgo the third minicamp, he just chose to schedule it after the draft so all the players were starting on the same page. He will still get two more minicamps this offseason.

And yes, the mini-camps and otas are mandatory, unless the coach tells you you don't have to be there. M3 said something this week about Favre's arm being 36 and not wanting to blow it out in the offseason.

And welcome to the forum, pbmax. Always great to hear new opinions.

[mraynrand]

Outside the Kiln, MS high school, they have a statue honoring Brett Favre, in honor of all his off season work throwing to the high school football players there:

[GrnBay007]

wow, 2 pages, 38 replies in arguing whether or not Brett should be at mini camp and nobody really know the reason why he won't be there, right?

[pbmax]

Hello and thanks ziggy. I am pretty sure McCarthy has only two minicamps scheduled, then the OTAs. Had he chosen to have the third, it likely would have been before the draft, for the vets, and you're right, rookies would have missed it.

The fact that Favre is excused to attend a previous engagement is fine. My concern is that he have as much time as possible to find who he can trust among his receivers. As his career is winding down, it seems like Favre has become less flexible in his approach to the team. And in a year with a lot of changes to the roster, that might not be the quickest route to winning again.

Then again, running routes in shorts and a helmet may not tell him anything. Just looking for good signs.

[MJZiggy]

You're right. That whole "shake hands and introduce yourself in the huddle before you try to get the ball to someone really wasn't working last year. How many of the otas did they decide Favre would attend? He does need to build up a little trust with someone other than Donald.

[Bretsky]

Hello and thanks ziggy. I am pretty sure McCarthy has only two minicamps scheduled, then the OTAs. Had he chosen to have the third, it likely would have been before the draft, for the vets, and you're right, rookies would have missed it.

The fact that Favre is excused to attend a previous engagement is fine. My concern is that he have as much time as possible to find who he can trust among his receivers. As his career is winding down, it seems like Favre has become less flexible in his approach to the team. And in a year with a lot of changes to the roster, that might not be the quickest route to winning again.

I agree pb; the most important reason Favre needs to be around more than in the past is to develop chemistry with the new WR's. We can't afford him lofting the ball to DD every time he's in trouble this year because he figured nobody else is open. He already lacks trust in Fergy; these other WR's need to step up big for us to be competitive. And if the WR's step up, get open, and make some plays some of the bone head throws will not have to be made as well.

[Tarlam!]

This is a team game. The team leader should be there. This is special treatment. Hawk is getting special treatment, because if he doesn't, he will negatively impact his life.

Favre should be concerned about the future of this team, as much as winning this year. He should be studying his new receivers, how they run routes, the angles they twist their bodies in the air and letting them know what to look for when he's moving in the pocket.

He can also be helping Rodgers and Martin to be better QB's. I know he's not paid to coach. I do stuff at work all the time that is not on my job description, I bet all of the readers on this forum do.

Favre should be there. It would underline his personal support for the new players and coaching staff, particularly in light of some of his off-season comments.

[Noodle]

At bottom, this is Favre being Favre. He's never liked camp. Holmgren used to complain that Favre was a pain in the ass at camp, always friggin' off. I suspect that had something to do with Sherman saying, "just stay home." And Favre has famously said that they don't need to pay him to play, but they do need to pay him to attend meetings.

That's a big part of why we love him. He's the perpetual big kid who isn't going to change. So to expect him now to be the elder statesman of the team is unrealistic.

And Tarlam, I agree with everything you said, but it just isn't in Favre to do it. Last year, there were a couple of articles about how Favre said it wasn't his job to get A-Rod ready. A-Rod said the right stuff in the press about it, but the fact is Favre apparently is not the mentoring type.

Favre is a competitor in a way that regular folks like us don't understand. If you want what's his, you're going to have to pry it out of his cold, dead hands. He's not going to help some punk take his job, and at the same time, he's not going to put up with what he sees as the boring BS of minicamp.

That's my amature analysis of the day, having had exactly 0 conversations with Favre.