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    Mental Block
    Zone blocking troubles tackles Packers
    By BOB McGINN
    bmcginn@journalsentinel.com
    Posted: Oct. 26, 2007

    Green Bay - Pass protection is and probably always will be the most important part of the job for an offensive tackle in the National Football League.

    Packers tackles Mark Tauscher, left, and Chad Clifton have dealt with a change in blocking philosophy under coach Mike McCarthy.

    Left tackle Chad Clifton and right tackle Mark Tauscher have protected and still do protect Brett Favre very well since they moved into the Green Bay Packers' lineup as rookies in 2000.

    Coach Mike McCarthy, offensive coordinator Joe Philbin and line coach James Campen know that, value that and factor that into any evaluation of their two veteran tackles.

    But when a team's running game ranks dead last in the NFL and every day brings more questions, it gets harder and harder for coaches to remember what Clifton and Tauscher do in protection and ignore their shortcomings as run blockers.

    On Monday night, the Packers will play in Denver, the birthplace of the zone run game that they installed in 2006. Despite losing two starting offensive linemen, the Broncos still rush for 130.7 yards each week behind a unit led by left tackle Matt Lepsis.

    "Very good, very active," Campen said when asked about Lepsis. "He gets flat down the line on the back side and makes cuts. He's quick to the aiming point. Not a real overly powerful guy but he busts his butt and he finishes."

    Lepsis, 33, started at right tackle from 1999-2003 before moving to the left side in '04. At 6 feet 5 inches and 290 pounds, he epitomizes the long, lean blockers that retired line coach Alex Gibbs built his zone scheme around in Denver.

    Clifton (6-5, 319) and Tauscher (6-3½, 316) were drafted at a time when the Packers' ground game under Mike Sherman was based on power. The tackle would block down and the guard would pull around to clear a lane for Ahman Green.

    Neither Clifton nor Tauscher ever was regarded as an elite run blocker. Still, they more than held their own.

    For a year and a half, McCarthy and his coaches have preached how wonderful the zone scheme would be. But it didn't work last year with Green and it hasn't come close to working this year with much lesser backs.

    The linemen basically were the same last year and this year. Also the same is their unacceptable performance as run blockers.

    "Everyone on the line is just OK," Campen said. "None of us are executing it the way we want it to be done. You have to do your techniques and execute it and win and finish."

    As was the case in 2005, the major problem has been at guard. Daryn Colledge has been responsible for a team-high 10 "bad" runs, and Junius Coston is next with seven. Clifton has four. Tauscher and center Scott Wells, rated by Campen as the club's most consistent blocker, have 2½ each.

    The Packers are so bad on third and 1 that McCarthy has called passes on six of 10 attempts. Three of the four carries by running backs have failed, each time because guards broke down

    Clifton, 31, continues to be a liability on back-side cut blocks. Despite Clifton's bad knees, Philbin says there's nothing wrong with his quickness or flexibility, and Campen insists he's stronger than ever before.

    "I think it's more a mental thing than lack of quickness to get from A to B," Philbin said. "It's a little bit of confidence. Then sometimes you don't like to work on your weaknesses."

    Clifton has been blessed with amazing physical gifts. No one ever described him as passionate or physical.

    "I've been here five years and I don't know that Chad has lost any ability to generate movement at the point of attack," Philbin said. "Has Chad been a bulldozer in the five years I've been here? I wouldn't say that's accurate, either, at any time in his career.

    "One of the things that has plagued our running game, not just Chad, is the overall inability to finish blocks and finish runs. We're still searching for an identity in the run game."

    In a direct comparison with Clifton, Tauscher probably has been the more effective run blocker over the years. But Tauscher also plays the more heavy-duty of the two positions and pales in comparison to some of the mammoth right tackles who can engulf defenders.

    Although Tauscher is 30, Campen said he detected no slippage in his strength, horsepower or flexibility.

    "He can (get push) at times," Philbin said. "He's physically big enough. If you examined his career in the last five years, he's a guy that stays on his feet well and kind of covers guys up. You've never going to say he's a guy who can take his guy and move him 10 yards down the field."

    After a shaky opener, Tauscher said he had played "fairly well."

    "As far as point of attack, I feel like I cover people up and don't allow a lot of penetration," he said. "Am I the most dominant run blocker in the world? No. But I do feel like I do my job."

    It's just that the job, at least as far as the run game, changed for Tauscher and Clifton with the arrival of McCarthy.

    That meant that, in their seventh seasons, the tackles had to learn the art of cutting a defender's legs out from underneath him. It also meant that the Packers' only two proven linemen entering '06 weren't cut from the classic linear mold of the master, Alex Gibbs.

    "It's something that's definitely acquired," Tauscher said. "It's not just a one step and cut. You need to get around him and read it. A lot of times, if a guy plays it soft, it's going to be very difficult to cut him."

    Despite the Packers' 5-1 record, McCarthy and his coaches have been stung, if not embarrassed, by their rushing numbers of 65.67 yards per game and 3.26 yards per carry. Maybe their No. 1 objective during the bye was doing something about it.

    Denver, with the NFL's worst run defense, couldn't appear on the schedule at a more opportune time.
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

  • #2
    OUTSTANDING ARTICLE that breaks down a lot of what we've debated in here.

    A few notes:

    1. Clifton and Tauscher's talents IMO really don't fit the Zone Blocking Scheme

    2. IMO that scheme seems to fit Wells and Colledge the Best

    3. While it's tempting to switch back to a power type scheme, I'm not sure our old power scheme would fit Colledge at all. Not sure about Wells. I think Spitz might be better in the old scheme.

    4. Our RB's stink as a group; coupled with a system that doesn't fit over 40% of our starters that makes it extremely challenging.

    5. There is a reason Green Bay has passed on six of ten third and one. We did rush four times and failed three of four times.


    McGinn is top notch
    Silverstein is decent

    The other writers are very sub par
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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    • #3
      I'm not turned off by Bedard yet. I'm still giving him a chance. I think he's done a decent job so far. He just needs to get some trust and raport with his readers. I don't know about you guys, but if I don't trust and respect someones opinion, I sort of ignore it. The guy needs a chance to prove he knows what he's talking about.
      Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by JustinHarrell
        I'm not turned off by Bedard yet. I'm still giving him a chance. I think he's done a decent job so far. He just needs to get some trust and raport with his readers. I don't know about you guys, but if I don't trust and respect someones opinion, I sort of ignore it. The guy needs a chance to prove he knows what he's talking about.
        Up to this point he just bores me

        McGinn is the guy who is interesting...whether we agree with him or not.

        Silverstein gathers facts us very well and is a good writer

        I really liked Cliffy; I was always fine paying $3 a month to read Insider.

        But this year the money is hardly worth it anymore
        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bretsky
          OUTSTANDING ARTICLE that breaks down a lot of what we've debated in here.

          A few notes:

          1. Clifton and Tauscher's talents IMO really don't fit the Zone Blocking Scheme

          2. IMO that scheme seems to fit Wells and Colledge the Best

          3. While it's tempting to switch back to a power type scheme, I'm not sure our old power scheme would fit Colledge at all. Not sure about Wells. I think Spitz might be better in the old scheme.

          4. Our RB's stink as a group; coupled with a system that doesn't fit over 40% of our starters that makes it extremely challenging.

          5. There is a reason Green Bay has passed on six of ten third and one. We did rush four times and failed three of four times.
          I agree completely. This kind of sums up all we've discussed. I'd add a couple of points...

          6. Discontinuing ZBS is a non-issue. McCarthy is going to keep it. Young OL and young RB's are in the ZBS mold. Replacing our veteran tackles with ZBS mold OL is probably where we're headed.

          7. Reading between the lines, I sense some resistance to ZBS by Clifton and Tauch. Young OL are moldable. Old dogs are set in their ways. As a result the OL is in a kind of limbo, caught between true ZBS and Sherman era blocking. The result is poor run blocking. Coaches don't want to get too radical with regard to Clifton and Tauch because they do a good job -- all things considered -- pass blocking for Favre.

          Time will take care of this problem. In the meantime, unless Clifton and Tauch grow a mean streak, we'll have to live with what we got the balance of this season. Hope it doesn't cost us the playoffs.
          One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
          John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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          • #6
            I wonder if Tauscher and Clifton are reluctant to do cut blocking. They may have spent several years hearing how their defensive teammates detest teams that resort to cut blocking regularly. Clifton especially may be reluctant to do it because he was a victim of a particularly vicious cut block by Warren Sapp.
            I can't run no more
            With that lawless crowd
            While the killers in high places
            Say their prayers out loud
            But they've summoned, they've summoned up
            A thundercloud
            They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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            • #7
              That wasn't a cut block, it was a cheap, unnecessary shot that he took just because he could get away with it. I didn't think he threw himself at Clifton's feet.
              "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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              • #8
                No evidence that they are not willing to give 100% so I have a hard time buying into that. Tauscher is not the fast athletic type the ZBS is ideal for. But both have always displayed a good attitude as far as we kow

                I just don't think it's ideal for their skills, but those two are undoubtedly the top two pass blockers.

                We don't have a RB that can make the OL look any better and we don't have a good enough OL to make subpar talent at RB better.

                That probably means we're stuck with inconsistency the rest of the year. We'll just have to keep winning the way we have been. Good defense, solid specials, win the turnover game, and expose poor pass defenses when we can.
                TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MJZiggy
                  That wasn't a cut block, it was a cheap, unnecessary shot that he took just because he could get away with it. I didn't think he threw himself at Clifton's feet.
                  I understand that what Sapp did was a cheap shot, and I wasn't comparing it to a legitimate cut block. However, I thought it was a low hit (perhaps I'm wrong), and if it was low, I could see where a guy who had to go through the the pain that Clifton did would be reluctant to go low on somebody. Just speculating here.
                  I can't run no more
                  With that lawless crowd
                  While the killers in high places
                  Say their prayers out loud
                  But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                  A thundercloud
                  They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Joemailman
                    Originally posted by MJZiggy
                    That wasn't a cut block, it was a cheap, unnecessary shot that he took just because he could get away with it. I didn't think he threw himself at Clifton's feet.
                    I understand that what Sapp did was a cheap shot, and I wasn't comparing it to a legitimate cut block. However, I thought it was a low hit (perhaps I'm wrong), and if it was low, I could see where a guy who had to go through the the pain that Clifton did would be reluctant to go low on somebody. Just speculating here.
                    It was a very high hit as I recall. Sapp sort of jumped up, hitting Clifton in the shoulder/chest when Clifton had his feet planted, causing his upper body to jerk violently relative to his hips, tearing the muscles in the pelvic area. He was sort of blind-sided by it.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bretsky

                      1. Clifton and Tauscher's talents IMO really don't fit the Zone Blocking Scheme

                      2. IMO that scheme seems to fit Wells and Colledge the Best

                      3. While it's tempting to switch back to a power type scheme, I'm not sure our old power scheme would fit Colledge at all. Not sure about Wells. I think Spitz might be better in the old scheme.

                      4. Our RB's stink as a group; coupled with a system that doesn't fit over 40% of our starters that makes it extremely challenging.
                      Colledge may seem to fit the scheme, yet he is terrible at it. The team leader in the cause of bad runs. The article condemns Clifton and Tauscher, yet they are responsible for only 4 and 2.5 bad runs, respectively. Colledge has 10, and Coston in very limited playing time has 7. I'm willing to give Coston some leeway. He is seeing his first live action. Colledge I'm losing patience with.

                      When Tauscher got hurt last year, an article stated he was their most reliable on zone plays. This article seems to criticize other aspects of his play, based more on power.

                      The long and short of it is the guards are still the problem. The tackles are adequate. The guards are not.

                      I am extremely disappointed in Colledge at this point in the season.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Patler
                        Originally posted by Bretsky

                        1. Clifton and Tauscher's talents IMO really don't fit the Zone Blocking Scheme

                        2. IMO that scheme seems to fit Wells and Colledge the Best

                        3. While it's tempting to switch back to a power type scheme, I'm not sure our old power scheme would fit Colledge at all. Not sure about Wells. I think Spitz might be better in the old scheme.

                        4. Our RB's stink as a group; coupled with a system that doesn't fit over 40% of our starters that makes it extremely challenging.
                        Colledge may seem to fit the scheme, yet he is terrible at it. The team leader in the cause of bad runs. The article condemns Clifton and Tauscher, yet they are responsible for only 4 and 2.5 bad runs, respectively. Colledge has 10, and Coston in very limited playing time has 7. I'm willing to give Coston some leeway. He is seeing his first live action. Colledge I'm losing patience with.

                        When Tauscher got hurt last year, an article stated he was their most reliable on zone plays. This article seems to criticize other aspects of his play, based more on power.

                        The long and short of it is the guards are still the problem. The tackles are adequate. The guards are not.

                        I am extremely disappointed in Colledge at this point in the season.

                        I'm disappointed in both Colledge and Spitz.

                        I also don't give Coston as much leeway because while young, he's been here a couple years as well
                        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                        • #13
                          Colledge was a big part of the reason why some of us thought the running game would be better, or at least no worse this year. He has been a huge disappointment. Perhaps tackle is his best position, and he may be Clifton's heir apparent, but that doesn't help now.
                          I can't run no more
                          With that lawless crowd
                          While the killers in high places
                          Say their prayers out loud
                          But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                          A thundercloud
                          They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                          • #14
                            Barbre might be the guy to play LT in a few years. He's supposed to be a very skilled pass blocker but dumb as a box of rocks.

                            Outside on an island seems like a good place for him.
                            Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bretsky

                              I'm disappointed in both Colledge and Spitz.

                              I also don't give Coston as much leeway because while young, he's been here a couple years as well
                              I'm not as disappointed in Spitz because my expectations were lower. When everyone is healthy, you might see SPitz and Coston as the starters.

                              I give Coston leeway because some aspects of the zone plays, they do not block in practice (usually the cuts). Those they never really practice completely. It takes game experience, and he has only a couple games so far.

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