Postgame Observations (Well, Just 2)

[Merlin]

Here we have a prime example of people who supported the decision to take Colledge in 2nd round of the draft. People who said that the guy is the real deal and will make a difference. Now, it's the total opposite and off with his head. He has been playing in the NFL for 24 games. He started 15 games last season, played in 16 and has played in all 8 this season.

Why then are you not bashing the guy who drafted him? For the same reason you still support taking Justin Harrell #1 this year, you know the guy who has played in 2-3 games? Not even active for the rest?

I think all of the Colledge bashing here is a prime reason of why I hate it so much when people have the "new guy" syndrome. It doesn't surprise me that our guard play is so poor. There isn't a veteran guard on this team with ANY experience starting multiple seasons in the NFL for any duration. Is that Colledge's fault? The norm in the NFL is usually 2-3 seasons for an offensive linemen to find his stride. There are a lot of exceptions, maybe he isn't one of them and according to all of the Thompson supporters, that was okay. But now it's not okay? So who is really to blame here? Is the guy a bust? Was he over-rated by Thompson out of the gate? Which is it?

Comparing Colledge to Mandarich is complete nonsense. They aren't even close. We have the NFL's worst running game for a reason and it isn't all on Colledge. It's on Thompson and only on Thompson. If you can give him all of the credit for our success, then you have to give him credit for us being the worst running team in the NFL. Otherwise any praise for him is simply nothing more then a personal bias for the guy.

Our offensive line as a whole isn't really all that good. Tauscher and Clifton are showing their age and the ZBS is not a good scheme for them, Colledge, Spitz, Coston and Moll aren't doing anything well. Scott Wells is probably our best offensive lineman right now and he's the center.

Grant is doing a great job. I am not convinced he is the real deal yet. Not because of him, but because we haven't had any running back stay healthy in such a long time that it's hard to believe in anyone rushing for us right now. Morency is a great ZBS back. However you actually have to run the ZBS effectively for him to be effective. I was an advocate for a one cut pile pusher from day one this season. A back that would pound it in there. Chris White fit that bill, yet he is on the practice squad. Jackson is a bust in my mind. He just doesn't look very good and never really has. Wynn has a glass jaw so that will limit his overall abilities in years to come. He may be an effective 3rd down type back but he needs touches to get the big plays out of him and I don't think he can endure a whole season. Morency is proving to also have a glass jaw.

So far this season, the only success we have had rushing is pounding the ball in there. Here's to hoping that the all mighty Ted Thompson makes the moved to put Chris White on the roster and take Jackson off. With a viable one two punch at running back and Morency to change the pace, our rushing game would improve. But then again, what do I know? Thompson has done such an awesome job so far creating the NFL's best running game.

[Zool]

Someone shit in your cornflakes again Merlin? Contrary to what you might think, Mr Thompson is not the anti-christ. He's the GM of an NFL football team.

You are the Yin to the Yang. Some give him all credit for good and no blame for the bad. You blame him for everything bad and give him no credit for the good.

The world is still in balance, and I thank you for it. I dont want a topsy turvey world where you have a good attitude on Monday mornings after a win. I would be gathering canned goods and heading for the mountains.

[Brohm]

Speaking of Grant, apparently he sustained a concussion and is questionable for next week

That being said, damn there are some bitter m'fer's out there. 7-1. We have some holes, but I also think we are a bit ahead of schedule as far as being competitive

[Joemailman]

We have the NFL's worst running game for a reason and it isn't all on Colledge. It's on Thompson and only on Thompson. If you can give him all of the credit for our success, then you have to give him credit for us being the worst running team in the NFL. Otherwise any praise for him is simply nothing more then a personal bias for the guy.

Fair enough. I give him credit for putting together a team that has a legitimate chance of going to the Super Bowl despite having the league 's worst rushing offense.

[The Leaper]

Comparing Colledge to Mandarich is complete nonsense. They aren't even close. We have the NFL's worst running game for a reason and it isn't all on Colledge. It's on Thompson and only on Thompson. If you can give him all of the credit for our success, then you have to give him credit for us being the worst running team in the NFL. Otherwise any praise for him is simply nothing more then a personal bias for the guy.

I would agree.

However, Thompson is also responsible for the team being 7-1. He hired the coach. He revamped the defense. He gave Favre the weapons in the passing game (Lee, Jennings, Jones...hopefully Robinson) to succeed.

So what's your point? Green Bay got screwed by Houston offering Ahman Green ridiculous money...leaving us with very few options at RB. Thompson did a reasonable job of targeting Grant at the end of preseason...who looks like he is at least a solid #2 back in this league. Grabbing Hall for FB also will turn out to be a good move. However, Thompson should be held accountable for not doing what was necessary to build this running game prior to Green's departure.

The draft next year is loaded at RB...until then, we ride the arm of a HOF QB. What's the big deal?

[Merlin]

Someone shit in your cornflakes again Merlin? Contrary to what you might think, Mr Thompson is not the anti-christ. He's the GM of an NFL football team.

You are the Yin to the Yang. Some give him all credit for good and no blame for the bad. You blame him for everything bad and give him no credit for the good.

The world is still in balance, and I thank you for it. I dont want a topsy turvey world where you have a good attitude on Monday mornings after a win. I would be gathering canned goods and heading for the mountains.

Once again, a blanket and inaccurate statement. I give Thompson credit. Unfortunately, people like you overlook what is actually written and go off into left field for whatever reason. What it boils down to is that Thompson appeasers are such big hypocrites that it makes posts like this one even more enjoyable to read. It's unfortunate that I should even have to defend my position on Thompson so often. It's even more unfortunate that people here represent the society we live in. It is a "Me" world after all is it not?

[Merlin]

Speaking of Grant, apparently he sustained a concussion and is questionable for next week

That being said, damn there are some bitter m'fer's out there. 7-1. We have some holes, but I also think we are a bit ahead of schedule as far as being competitive

Bitter has nothing to do with it. When we start to address our problems then I will be happier then I am being 7-1. I just think the wheels are going to come off the bus at some point and the only blame that will go around is the kind we are seeing here for Colledge. Not the guy who drafted him or the people who supported the both of them.

[Merlin]

We have the NFL's worst running game for a reason and it isn't all on Colledge. It's on Thompson and only on Thompson. If you can give him all of the credit for our success, then you have to give him credit for us being the worst running team in the NFL. Otherwise any praise for him is simply nothing more then a personal bias for the guy.

Fair enough. I give him credit for putting together a team that has a legitimate chance of going to the Super Bowl despite having the league 's worst rushing offense.

That's too much credit. Thompson gets credit for drafting young players. He has zero to do with their development or how they perform on the field. We have the youngest team in the NFL and have had a lot of luck, primarily from Favre this season so far. 4 come from behind victories and Favre playing lights out. Our defense has been average but is getting better having stepped up the past three games, especially with the timely turnovers. Thompson had nothing to do with that, he doesn't play the game. Last time I checked, Thompson wasn't playing unless I am missing something here. So no more bashing of our young players unless you are willing to bash Thompson.

[Merlin]

Comparing Colledge to Mandarich is complete nonsense. They aren't even close. We have the NFL's worst running game for a reason and it isn't all on Colledge. It's on Thompson and only on Thompson. If you can give him all of the credit for our success, then you have to give him credit for us being the worst running team in the NFL. Otherwise any praise for him is simply nothing more then a personal bias for the guy.

I would agree.

However, Thompson is also responsible for the team being 7-1. He hired the coach. He revamped the defense. He gave Favre the weapons in the passing game (Lee, Jennings, Jones...hopefully Robinson) to succeed.

So what's your point? Green Bay got screwed by Houston offering Ahman Green ridiculous money...leaving us with very few options at RB. Thompson did a reasonable job of targeting Grant at the end of preseason...who looks like he is at least a solid #2 back in this league. Grabbing Hall for FB also will turn out to be a good move. However, Thompson should be held accountable for not doing what was necessary to build this running game prior to Green's departure.

The draft next year is loaded at RB...until then, we ride the arm of a HOF QB. What's the big deal?

Once again, let me spell it out for you:

If you are going to hack on players that aren't performing then you need to hack on Thompson. You support everything about him when it works but then relegate all of the blame for things that don't work to something else. Sorry, that is being hypocritical.

[Brohm]

I think Colledge will be alright eventually. A veteran presence would have been nice, especially as a mentor to the youth. Wolf took a couple years to get the ground game running with some stop gap guards/takles. Hell the O-line didn't hit its stride till after he left. I remember Wilkerson at LT in the SB win. I think (hope!) we will see big strides next year in our O-line and maybe even our RB (if we don't draft a stud next year). Ahman took ~3years to get rolling.

[Partial]

Speaking of Grant, apparently he sustained a concussion and is questionable for next week

That being said, damn there are some bitter m'fer's out there. 7-1. We have some holes, but I also think we are a bit ahead of schedule as far as being competitive

Bitter has nothing to do with it. When we start to address our problems then I will be happier then I am being 7-1. I just think the wheels are going to come off the bus at some point and the only blame that will go around is the kind we are seeing here for Colledge. Not the guy who drafted him or the people who supported the both of them.

Why would we blame him for missing on a draft pick? It happens. He also drafted Juice, Moll, Spitz, and that rookie this year. They could probably step in and fill the void.

[Freak Out]

If it all comes tumbling down because the team can't pass block for #4 during what could be his last run and knowing that the running game was going to be a crap shoot we should get to have a big happy blanket party with TT....he can keep his job but we get to beat the hell out of him.

Who could step up right now and replace Colledge? If he sucks at both run blocking and pass protection why the hell is he still in there? Our backups are worse?

[Zool]

Someone shit in your cornflakes again Merlin? Contrary to what you might think, Mr Thompson is not the anti-christ. He's the GM of an NFL football team.

You are the Yin to the Yang. Some give him all credit for good and no blame for the bad. You blame him for everything bad and give him no credit for the good.

The world is still in balance, and I thank you for it. I dont want a topsy turvey world where you have a good attitude on Monday mornings after a win. I would be gathering canned goods and heading for the mountains.

Once again, a blanket and inaccurate statement. I give Thompson credit. Unfortunately, people like you overlook what is actually written and go off into left field for whatever reason. What it boils down to is that Thompson appeasers are such big hypocrites that it makes posts like this one even more enjoyable to read. It's unfortunate that I should even have to defend my position on Thompson so often. It's even more unfortunate that people here represent the society we live in. It is a "Me" world after all is it not?

So you really do think you're better than most people. I thought it was just an internet persona. Simply amazing that you cant laugh about anything. Sorry for your loss.

[Zool]

bloink

[Joemailman]

If it all comes tumbling down because the team can't pass block for #4 during what could be his last run and knowing that the running game was going to be a crap shoot we should get to have a big happy blanket party with TT....he can keep his job but we get to beat the hell out of him.

Who could step up right now and replace Colledge? If he sucks at both run blocking and pass protection why the hell is he still in there? Our backups are worse?

With Spitz, Wells, Moll and Coston all out with injuries at various times this season, leaving Colledge at LG has probably been a necessity. If the Packers get all their interior OL guys healthy, and Colledge is still playing poorly, you could see a change there.

One thing that hasn't been talked about regarding the poor running game is the fact that the Packers have had a revolving door this season at RB, C, and RG. If the injuries stop, and they can settle on a consistent lineup, I think improvement in the running game is still a real possibility.