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[Tyrone Bigguns]

I'd take either of them on the packers.

what a shock. The moral relativist strikes again. Standards, what standards. Maybe you could get Denver to cut T Henry so the Pack could reel in that sterling character too.

And you'd prefer the high moral guys that Starr had. Yep, i can wrap those winning seasons under Starr around me like a warm blanket.

The NFL isn't about sterling character. It is about winning. It is a business. Business, as you have mentioned many times isn't about ethics.

[mraynrand]

I'd take either of them on the packers.

what a shock. The moral relativist strikes again. Standards, what standards. Maybe you could get Denver to cut T Henry so the Pack could reel in that sterling character too.

And you'd prefer the high moral guys that Starr had. Yep, i can wrap those winning seasons under Starr around me like a warm blanket.

The NFL isn't about sterling character. It is about winning. It is a business. Business, as you have mentioned many times isn't about ethics.

Nice try. Just because you want to win, doesn't mean you have to put up with poor characters. And selecting for good character without regard to any other factor will get you exactly that - good character guys - who may or may not be good players. But here's the amazing leap you can take (follow carefully here, Ty, I'll go real slow for you) - You can select guys that are good players AND have good character - or at least have that as your aim. I would argue that winning and good business fare better with better characters than bad. And who knows, maybe you can turn around a bad sort. But that doesn't mean you have to embrace bad characters just to win, and you don't have to ignore bad behavior or make excuses. For example, Mark Chumura's behavior was unacceptable (even if he was found innocent of criminal charges) and I would put Moss and T Henry in the same category. I'm guessing that you have a line somewhere that you would draw, and I'd be willing to bet you'd have better reasoning than our morally confused HH. Also, it's interesting but typical that you didn't understand my point about business and ethics - the bigger the business, the more impersonal, the more ethics-free it tends to be (other than the 'economic ethic' of capitalism). Nevertheless, that doesn't prevent some businesses from being 'ethical' as a good business practice - like NBC and Subaru trying to appeal to the Green crowd and other conservationist/environmental stewards who see environmental conservation as a moral goal.

[Scott Campbell]

Business, as you have mentioned many times isn't about ethics.

Well maybe not where your concerned. I'm old school.

[Scott Campbell]

If he had a bad attitude, the Packers would just cut him loose.

Or put him on IR over some bogus hangnail.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Ayn, you've made quite a rousing speech about character. But you forget one detail: Wynn hasn't exhibited any bad character. Neither did Herron when they put him on IR.

Those of you who enjoy believing that Wynn is a bad actor will just do so.
He might be a bad egg for all I know. Who knows what evil lurks within the hearts of men.

[Harlan Huckleby]

If he had a bad attitude, the Packers would just cut him loose.

Or put him on IR over some bogus hangnail.

Rookies can just be cut. Injury settlement is little obstacle, and a non-issue if he recovers quickly.

McCarthy said at his last press conference that he is optimistic about Wynn's future in GB. There is zero reason for him to lie if his true intention is to get rid of him. And there is zero reason for TT to put Wynn on IR if he doesn't want him on the team.

[Guiness]

I tend to agree with OPF's guess that he is hurt worse than he knows.

I just doesn't add up any other way. If it was an attitude problem that the Packers decided was untenable, they'd just cut bait on a 7th round pick.

We're aren't exactly solid at RB, and he WAS the starter 2 weeks ago. Although I'm sure they're happy with what they've seen in Grant, but I'm also guessing they're not 100% convinced he's the long term solution.

Even if you think the Packers are doing this to give him a year to get in shape for the NFL, it doesn't make sense. You do that with a developmental player, who you can afford to do without because you have depth at the position. And you talk to him about it first.

Sorry conspiracy theorists, I'm guessing he's actually hurt.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Business, as you have mentioned many times isn't about ethics.

Well maybe not where your concerned. I'm old school.

You are addressing the wrong guy. Rand said business doesn't have ethics/morality.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I'd take either of them on the packers.

what a shock. The moral relativist strikes again. Standards, what standards. Maybe you could get Denver to cut T Henry so the Pack could reel in that sterling character too.

And you'd prefer the high moral guys that Starr had. Yep, i can wrap those winning seasons under Starr around me like a warm blanket.

The NFL isn't about sterling character. It is about winning. It is a business. Business, as you have mentioned many times isn't about ethics.

Nice try. Just because you want to win, doesn't mean you have to put up with poor characters. And selecting for good character without regard to any other factor will get you exactly that - good character guys - who may or may not be good players. But here's the amazing leap you can take (follow carefully here, Ty, I'll go real slow for you) - You can select guys that are good players AND have good character - or at least have that as your aim. I would argue that winning and good business fare better with better characters than bad. And who knows, maybe you can turn around a bad sort. But that doesn't mean you have to embrace bad characters just to win, and you don't have to ignore bad behavior or make excuses. For example, Mark Chumura's behavior was unacceptable (even if he was found innocent of criminal charges) and I would put Moss and T Henry in the same category. I'm guessing that you have a line somewhere that you would draw, and I'd be willing to bet you'd have better reasoning than our morally confused HH. Also, it's interesting but typical that you didn't understand my point about business and ethics - the bigger the business, the more impersonal, the more ethics-free it tends to be (other than the 'economic ethic' of capitalism). Nevertheless, that doesn't prevent some businesses from being 'ethical' as a good business practice - like NBC and Subaru trying to appeal to the Green crowd and other conservationist/environmental stewards who see environmental conservation as a moral goal.

Get a grip. These guys are football players. Very few a good characters. If we followed your draft strategy, well, we would be in the basement year in and year out. Your being ridiculous.

Sorry, but you are contradicting your previous statements about business. You said business doesn't have morality. Football is a business. It is about the bottom line..which is winning and making money. And, now, according to your defintion...football only mirrors what you have said. You are pining for the days when the football biz was small. Now that it has grown, it is more impersonal/ethics free.

THAT IS THE ONLY CONCERN OF THE BUSINESS. If a player breaks the law or skirts it then they become a detriment to those stated goals..ie, chewy.

Guess, you feel that our SB win was tarnished..as Favre wasn't exactly a high character guy (vicodin, alcohol, philandering, etc.), Chewy, Wayne Simmons, Rison, etc.

Pretty sure that drinking the night before the super bowl as Max did, isn't exactly a high character move. I can't believe the packers didn't cut Paul Horning...gambling and breaking stated NFL rules doesn't seem like a high character thing to do. Yet, he is revered. Must be quite a moral dilemma for you.

Must be nice to live above us all. Might wanna consider walking among the plebes sometime. You might get a bit dirty, but you might also learn about being HUMAN.

[the_idle_threat]

Must be nice to live above us all. Might wanna consider walking among the plebes sometime. You might get a bit dirty, but you might also learn about being HUMAN.

Irony alert!!!