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  • #16
    Originally posted by the_idle_threat
    IMO, Williams is a good DT, but he's not irreplaceable. He's not even the best DT on the team.

    JH has this one right---TT should offer a him a good deal that doesn't make the Kampman or Jenkins deals look bad, and if Williams is intent on getting overpaid in free agency, let him go.

    It's a well-established fact that the team's deepest position is defensive line, and Williams was what---a 6th round pick? Williams is very replaceable.
    Complete Bojive.

    His draft position is irrelevant. What matters is he is one of the best interior pass rushers in the game, and when he plays with Kampman, Jenkins and Pickett they form a very good line. There is something to be said for chemistry, and we know not if his development and turning into a great interior pass rusher is making things easier for the other players, or if the other players development has made it easier for Williams.

    I say offer him a good contract and let that be the end of it. They should lock him up asap. Interior pass rushing does not come cheap.

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    • #17
      Damn, they should have signed him before this article came out.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by JustinHarrell
        If Williams is willing to take a fair deal, sign him up. If he wants the moon, let him go.
        Are YOU Ted Thompson?

        OR . . .DOES IT JUST SEEM THAT Way JH?

        This is just a prime example of why TT gets under my skin.

        He loves to POKEY it.

        Is he just slow or SLOW?

        He came within a whisker of losing Aaron Kampman.

        What does it take him to go to school?

        It's ALL about the Packers and winning not about TT's personality or quirks.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by woodbuck27
          Originally posted by JustinHarrell
          If Williams is willing to take a fair deal, sign him up. If he wants the moon, let him go.
          Are YOU Ted Thompson?

          OR . . .DOES IT JUST SEEM THAT Way JH?

          This is just a prime example of why TT gets under my skin.

          He loves to POKEY it.

          Is he just slow or SLOW?

          He came within a whisker of losing Aaron Kampman.

          What does it take him to go to school?

          It's ALL about the Packers and winning not about TT's personality or quirks.

          PACKERS fOREVER !
          God, my brain hurts from reading your posts.

          How do you know TT is pokey? It takes two sides to negotiate. You nor I, nor anyone else knows how the negotiations went. Just because you read something doesn't make it factual. Part of the game is playing it thru the media.

          I can see it now. TT quickly signs a player and you would complain that he overpaid, that he shoulda waited to see what the market demand was.

          I don't care if it came within a whisker...is Kampman signed? Yes. Then all your talk is just blather.

          7-1. Guess we woulda been 8-0 if only TT would get rid of all his annoying traits.

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          • #20
            I would say TT needs to drop some major dollars on him or C.Williams will be C.Yalater. If it aint broke dont fix it. The strength zapping DL rotation is what has kept the Pack in games all year. I don't want it to change at all. Sign him and throw some others a few $$$. It can be done and it wouldn't burn the team financially. I could only see him somewhere else if he gets a ridiculous contract. Thompson seems like to spend his FA cash on D.

            Of course, he may just want to get the hell out of Green Bay.

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            • #21
              We will have plenty of cap room guys. Hawk got an 11 million dollar roster bonus this year. We'll be fine financially.

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              • #22
                Just like the Kampman deal, the player and agent know that time is on their side. The market for D Lineman is even better (as in steadier) than for QBs. Romo took a Dallas friendly deal and that will have repercussions for all QBs. There are too many D lineman for one odd deal to throw the market off.

                Clearly he is refusing a home team discount or an early renegotiation discount.

                If it gets done, it'll be after player evaluations in the offseason, right before FA, just like Kampman.

                Like AK, he has steadily improved and would seem to be a good bet not to relax after getting paid. But with Harrell and Jolly waiting, T2 won't make a monster bet like he did with Woodson.
                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                • #23
                  Perhaps my opinion is "Complete Bojive." Partial, but just watch: He'll walk away in free agency for the big money, and he'll be another Gabe Wilkins.

                  He knows he's being overvalued, because he's getting garbage sacks due to the good coverage downfield combined with the hustle of other players on the line, like Kampman and Jenkins. His numbers are inflated. He'll cash in, and be expected to generate those numbers himself. He doesn't have the talent to do it.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by the_idle_threat

                    He knows he's being overvalued, because he's getting garbage sacks due to the good coverage downfield combined with the hustle of other players on the line, like Kampman and Jenkins. His numbers are inflated. He'll cash in, and be expected to generate those numbers himself. He doesn't have the talent to do it.
                    I agree with this. It sounds like Williams knows he's going to get monster offers. He's playing well, but he gets a lot of single blockers because of Kampman, KGB, Jenkins and Pickett (in the run game).

                    I was against letting Williams go because I assumed he would sign a fair deal a year early. It sound (according to reports) like he is not willing to do that and he wants to test his value on the open market. The way he's inflated, I'm sure he'll get $$ thrown his way, but he may not be worth it. Ted Thompson has done a great job. If he lets him go, I'll lean on the side of trust and assume it was a good move before I go nuts and look stupid a few months down the road.

                    Another option is to franchise him. It's 6.7 mil for one year. If he still wants to play hard ball, let him go the following year. He'll be 29 then and we'll have gotten one more year of his prime for a reasonable price. I don't think he'll want to play year to year at that age. Injuries have a funny way of happening as guys approach 30. He'd be wise to cut a long term deal. If not, just get one more year out of him and let him go when Jolly, Harrell and Muir are fully developed. As nice as it is to have him, we do have many good ones and you never know when Ted will find another. He's valuable, but he's not as valuable as the UFA market is going to dictate. I do think the franchise tag would be a good way to approach the Williams situation. ONe year at 6.7 mil is a lot better than 6 years 36 mil with 12 gauranteed.
                    Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by the_idle_threat
                      Perhaps my opinion is "Complete Bojive." Partial, but just watch: He'll walk away in free agency for the big money, and he'll be another Gabe Wilkins.

                      He knows he's being overvalued, because he's getting garbage sacks due to the good coverage downfield combined with the hustle of other players on the line, like Kampman and Jenkins. His numbers are inflated. He'll cash in, and be expected to generate those numbers himself. He doesn't have the talent to do it.
                      That I don't necessarily agree with. He's very slippery and has a knack for getting past people.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Partial
                        Originally posted by the_idle_threat
                        Perhaps my opinion is "Complete Bojive." Partial, but just watch: He'll walk away in free agency for the big money, and he'll be another Gabe Wilkins.

                        He knows he's being overvalued, because he's getting garbage sacks due to the good coverage downfield combined with the hustle of other players on the line, like Kampman and Jenkins. His numbers are inflated. He'll cash in, and be expected to generate those numbers himself. He doesn't have the talent to do it.
                        That I don't necessarily agree with. He's very slippery and has a knack for getting past people.
                        The Wilkins comparison is pushing it, I admit, because Williams has to be doing something right in order to get to the quarterback as much as he has. But I think his production is maybe 50% his own efforts and 50% a result of the group he's playing with. He's replaceable.

                        Funny how we always rip on the national writers for not knowing anything, until they say something good but perhaps undeserved about one of our own.

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                        • #27
                          I think many have wanted Williams to be the 2nd priority after Jenkins. He is versatile and effective.

                          Let's put it this way, if they want to realistically take a shot at the SB next year they should extend Williams.

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                          • #28
                            If they want to keep Williams next year (because you think the SB is in reach), but the market is 35 mil on a 6 year deal then just sign him for 6.7 as the franchise player and make him play one more year before he gets the big pay day. If they want one more year with him, there are other ways to do it that don't involve giving him more than Kamp. It might force his hand a little on a longer deal too.
                            Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by JustinHarrell
                              If they want to keep Williams next year (because you think the SB is in reach), but the market is 35 mil on a 6 year deal then just sign him for 6.7 as the franchise player and make him play one more year before he gets the big pay day. If they want one more year with him, there are other ways to do it that don't involve giving him more than Kamp. It might force his hand a little on a longer deal too.

                              Keep in mind how players detest and act like total jackasses when they get the tag. I don't agree with their behavior in most cases but you gotta factor it in.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by b bulldog
                                wILLIAMS WON'T BE HERE NEXT SEASON IMO.

                                I agree, and that's too bad. The price of doing business with him just went way up.

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