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  • #16
    Originally posted by Merlin
    Ted Thompson deserves credit for finding Mike McCarthy.
    We agree completely.

    Originally posted by Merlin
    Mike McCarthy is to be credited for our 8-1 start and Ted Thompson gets partial credit for finding McCarthy.
    Do you mean partial credit for finding McCarthy or partial credit for the success that has come as a result of hiring McCarthy? The way this is phrased makes it seem like you are backing off of your praise for TT by giving him partial credit. Chances are TT had the final decision regarding whether to hire McCarthy or not. He probably got input from other people within the organization, but I imagine he had the final say, so how does he get partial credit for finding McCarthy?

    Originally posted by Merlin
    We must always keep in perspective though that the General Manager of a football team cannot make players perform, he cannot make the head coach perform.
    Huh? So, the GM can't make the players or the head coach perform? What? A Medley from "Cats"? A GM has the ability to hire and fire both, so I think he can have some affect on how they perform. If you are saying he doesn't coach or motivate as a coach would, you are right.

    Originally posted by Merlin
    Jennings and Jones are diamonds but you have to ask yourself how much they would be contributing on another team had they not been selected to play for the Packers.
    Impossible to speculate. They were scouted and selected by this GM and his staff and they are producing for the team.

    Originally posted by Merlin
    Mike McCarthy and his coaching style are the reason they perform, not because Ted Thompson drafted them.
    They don't get coached unless they get drafted or signed.

    Bottom line is, they work together for a common goal and they are having success. McCarthy on the field with the players, and Thompson in the front office. Thompson finds the talent, and McCarthy coaches and motivates the talent.

    The thread started out as an invitation to vote for McCarthy for coach of the week, and I added the article that was complimentary of McCarthy. Your piece was kind of like, McCarthy deserves credit, Thompson deserves credit for finding McCarthy, but make sure you don't give him credit for on-field success. It was just an unneccessary to back door jab at Thompson, who we know you have issues with. All I was saying is leave this thread for Coach McCarthy.
    "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Merlin
      Originally posted by Carolina_Packer
      Originally posted by Merlin
      Ted Thompson deserves credit for finding Mike McCarthy. The same can be said for Ron Wolf finding Mike Holmgren and Mike Sherman. All three coaches came in with albeit non-glamorous resumes. Ray Rhodes was a fan favorite selection to replace Holmgren and as it turned out, the fans were wrong. When it comes to selecting a head coach, that is the GM's single most important job. I remember all fans, myself included, screaming at the selection of Holmgren, Sherman and McCarthy. I know I at least was wrong on every one of those selections. I loved Ray Rhodes, until 8-8 happened and he proved he really didn't coach the Packers at all.

      Mike McCarthy deserves credit for staying himself and true to the game. In his first season, he did find out the hard way, in his second he learned to play to the teams strengths and work on the weaknesses. Perfect example is that last season we tried to run the ball no matter how poorly it produced. This season we are running the ball less and as teams try to stop our passing game, it opens up the run. McCarthy learns quickly and makes the proper adjustments this season and that will only get better. His only bad stretch was the second half of the Bears game through the Washington game. We went 1-1 in those games and it only got better from there.

      Mike McCarthy is to be credited for our 8-1 start and Ted Thompson gets partial credit for finding McCarthy. We must always keep in perspective though that the General Manager of a football team cannot make players perform, he cannot make the head coach perform. All the general manager can do is "hope" to quote Thompson, that he made enough good decisions that the team will gel. McCarthy has held strong to his convictions, put faith in the experience of Brett Favre, harnessed Favre's leadership, and allowed that to bring the offense together. Jennings and Jones are diamonds but you have to ask yourself how much they would be contributing on another team had they not been selected to play for the Packers. Mike McCarthy and his coaching style are the reason they perform, not because Ted Thompson drafted them.
      This thread is for recognizing MM, not for explaining away TT's relevance to the team's success so far this season. That has been debated ad nauseum in another thread. Props for MM are appreciated here.
      Please RE-READ what was written and then RE-READ your Thompson comment and subsequent over-reaction to something that never existed in the post. You can substitute any GM name in there, the whole post was about how McCarthy is deserving and deserves credit for the success. It's not my fault Thompson is the GM of record right now. It would be irresponsible of me to use previous coaches and their selection and not include Thompson. But for whatever reason, go ahead and make it about Thompson. It appears you have some kind of pre-conceived notion that whenever I say "Ted Thompson" it's some kind of negative.

      If you actually spend your time constructively in reading what's there instead of trying to turn this into something it's not due to your own pre-conceived notions, you might find that there is a compliment for Thompson in there too.

      Unfortunately, you think only you have the right to determine what other people say and thereby interpret what they say in your own way.

      Sad really.
      This was a good thread despite Merlin's posting. Carolina did well starting this post but Merlin added a bunch of ridiculous nonsense.

      Before you get defensive, this post is about Carolina, and what a good thread this is. I can't help it you were the current poster.


      . . .

      I think criticizing TT is just so ingrained in you that you don't even realize you are doing it.

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      • #18
        I read that McCarthy's record after 26 games is now 1 better than Lombardis.

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        • #19
          If his numbers of SuperBowlRings will be one higher than Lombardis when he retires I will be more than happy

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          • #20
            Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
            Originally posted by Cheesehead Craig
            I think Super has this thing called a VCR. It's this form of technology that lets you record what was on TV, then watch it at a later time.


            I've never known the superfan to record a game. I figured he must have gotten it from somebody else.


            any game you want to dl...

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            • #21
              why is this still sticky??
              The Bottom Line:
              Formally Numb, same person, same views of M3

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