Ted's Biggest Screw Up

[The Shadow]

Here's the deal :
If the Packers continue to be very successful, Tweedledee and Tweedledum (aka Tweedletank) will post something like this :
"Ha! You fools! We are really behavioral science professors who have been conducting this anti-Ted Thompson campaign just to see if we could get a rise out of Packer fans!
We did! We really have the last laugh on you!! We really supported TT all along! See : we are really smart!!!!!!!"

Many of us have seen this particular ploy several times before........

[Scott Campbell]

Nothing like a bunch of good ol' boys with a collective IQ of 4 touting the same old "WE ARE EIGHT AND ONE" crap. At least my arguments have merit and substance and I haven't changed those arguments because they are all valid.

You haven't changed your argument? Weren't you one of the guys lambasting Ted's 12-20 record prior to the season?

Funny how they go 8-1 and the record is no longer important for some reason.

[mraynrand]

As I used to say with Sherman, it's very difficult to assess a GM other than by overall success or failure. Thompson is looking pretty good right now. You can always find bad moves with a GM since even for the best guys, 60% of their draft picks do little or nothing. Another common problem with evaluating GM talent is the tunnel vision problem. Most critics know their own team extremely well and can tell you all the failings, but for other teams they tend to only say - hey look at that winning team -their guys are playing well - how come we don't have that GM...etc.

Bottom line, baby.

[Scott Campbell]

Here's an oldie, but a goodie. Let's go back to Oct. 5, 2006...........

Anyone who says that the Packer's need to "rebuild" clearly doesn't understand free agency, this includes Ted Thompson. You don't rebuild anymore, you reload each year. We are truly rebuilding with the youngest team in the NFL with the second most rookies on the roster and 7 Million in our pockets. One thing I cannot fault Sherman for, he was always looking to find a good free agent to get them over the hump. He didn't draft the greatest, but at least he put competative teams on the field. This whole idea of going younger is going to backfire. Now bare with me here for a second. Say for instance that we pull out a 8-8 season this year and say 10-6 with a playoff appearance next year. Say many of these rookies and younger players step up. How many can you resign down the road? If they are no longer younger players and good NFL vets, you will be in the same boat we were in a few years ago. With that said, TT is turning us into a farm team. MLB already has the Milwaukee Brewers for their farm team, the NFL will have Green Bay. We develop them, they become names with the Packer's, we can't afford to keep them all, they go elsewhere.

This IS a reality. We don't need a team of probowlers to be successful. But we do need experience to be successful. As soon as these younger players get experience and their contracts are up, good luck keeping them all. TT has already proven that he is into "his guys". If you aren't one of them you stand a better chance to be let go. That is a fact. Ahmad Carrol will go onto a successful career some place where they have an actual defensive backs coach. Shottenheimer is our problem. Sanders is doing a good job as far as I am concerned. We are in the right packages when we need to be, the pass defense execution sucks, and bad. We were #25 against the pass the last time Shottenheimer was here. We were #1 last year under Lionel Wachington and even though it was probably a little overrated, it wasn't near #25 in reality. This year we are #31 currently. What's the difference? SHOTTENHEIMER!

TT needs to fire Shottenheimer and promote Washington IMMEDIATELY. Letting Carrol go was a mistake, he had too much raw talent. Bench him, don't get rid of him, he was a scape goat. The real problem is with coaching and I cannot believe TT and McCarthy were both too stupid to see the pattern.

As far as McCarthy goes, I like what I see in him. He gets on players, even Favre and it is making a difference. He just needs to be able to pick a coaching staff and that will be his downfall.

I for one don't want to wait 20 years before this team is competative again. We had 11 rookies last year on the roster and something like 15 this year. Next year it will be what, 19?

Someone needs to have the balls to tell TT that his building through the draft theory is all fine and good but you need to have experience if you want to keep selling tickets and merchandise...

I wish more fans could comprehend what you've posted. To many here have this blind opinion that rebuilding is ok and as I keep saying, GM's get paid to make a difference NOW. Anyone can field a lousy team and stockpile draft choices. Good GM's re-load not re-build. The only point I dis-agree on is MM. He's the guy in charge and when not once but twice, you only have 10 men on the field, you have to be held accountable. He's the one who hires the coaches and he need's to be held responsible for that.

Cleaning house and going young has been tried before and it does'nt work. You need the right mix of vets and we have a GM that sucks at player evaluation. Yep, Manuel was a real good pick-up and Woodson sure is worth all that cash. Yet, some will say TT is going in the right direction.

There are several of the younger fans in this forum who have no concept of the 70's and 80's and sadly they are going to find out. They will understand how one bad choice has a snowball effect. I just don't see this "future hope" that they have. This team has so many holes, that it's just pathetic......

[HarveyWallbangers]

Funny how Packnut basically hasn't posted since the Packers loss to the Bears.

[Scott Campbell]

And this pearl of wisdom........

Personally, I don't see Favre up and walking away now. That being said: I agree Favre doesn't want the "Favre final tour" crap, I wouldn't either. But, TT wasn't too high on keeping him around when he flew into town either. You have to look at the direction of the organization and even though the Packers had a lot of bright spots in '06, TT can't afford to "build through the draft" and expect to keep Favre wanting to play for a young, inexperienced team. We have a lot of locks for starters and some who's contract are up. The Free Agency market will be a good one. If TT doesn't go after a few players, if I were Favre, I would walk. If TT is so stupid that he looks past the 2006 accomplishments and brings in another 10 rookies, then I may have to consider not being much of a fan anymore. We get it Ted, you like the draft. You need to get it Ted, we want to WIN NOW!

[HarveyWallbangers]

That one is pretty mild. There have to be better ones.

[Scott Campbell]

When Harv asks, Scott delivers. From March 7, 2007.........

Although I agree that TT has a tight ass and needs to be cornholed, Al Davis is an idiot. If there is a deal to be made for Moss after stripping our offense, TT will make it. If he goes into the season 10 Mil under the cap again, don't be surprised if it's TT's last season with Green Bay.

[Scott Campbell]

I wanted TT fired before he made one move for the Packers. He is an arrogant SOB who is hell bent on making this HIS TEAM. He signed Woodson out of desperation because the organization and fans in general were pissed off, he surely wasn't pursuing him very hard if at all. Other then that, we could have gone without Pickett who did a fine job for us but Jackson would have done the same when healthy. We definitely could have done without Manual and Robinson hasn't played enough yet to know if that was a good pickup. I think he is. We went into last season with 10 Mil in our pockets and got nothing for it. IDIOT...

[Scott Campbell]

Culver showed a lot of potential when he played. More potential than Manual. Don't go holding your breath that TT will cut him. He has yet to cut any of "his guys" that start.

[Scott Campbell]

Any bets Favre is still asked to chuck it up over 600 times this season?

Is the bettng window still open?

[Bretsky]

Any bets Favre is still asked to chuck it up over 600 times this season?

Is the bettng window still open?

In 9 games Favre has 354 attempts.
That is 39 attempts per game.

39x16= 624

Pretty dam good prediction when looking at the statistical facts

[Scott Campbell]

I suspect that Robinson won't get re-instated. Goodell seems like kind of a hardass in that respect. The crack down should have happened many years ago. Now they have to make examples out of players and who better then someone Green Bay has the rights to?

[Scott Campbell]

Fairly prophetic here:

I hope that AP doesn't go to Minnesota. Not because I don't want a good player to go to the Vikings but because I don't want to see a players career cut short by playing for a shitty team. Tavaris is a few years away yet and that overpaid offensive line couldn't block for a pee wee football team. Then you have Childress who will think he is the next Westbrook. I see AP in MN getting injured playing in that hole they call a field in his first season trying to cutback after Hutchinson misses a block on Dante Hall...

[Scott Campbell]

Bingo - found it.

Merlin claims he hasn't changed his arguments. Decide for yourself.

Nothing like a bunch of good ol' boys with a collective IQ of 4 touting the same old "WE ARE EIGHT AND ONE" crap. At least my arguments have merit and substance and I haven't changed those arguments because they are all valid.

In today's world, patience for anything by anyone just doesn't happen. The NFL with free agency is designed to keep teams competitive, especially small market teams like Green Bay. Unfortunately we have not seen that success because of the philosophy of TT. I think the number of wins has a lot to do with how "well" they do their job. It's measurable, it's real and it's the focus of the fans. The questions is, how long do we give him? Sherman got 4 years and had good records but choked in the playoffs. Wolfe had 9 years and produced 2 Super Bowl teams after 5 years of "building". Wolfe also got solid free agent pickups to address the immediate needs of the team. But, his coaching mistake with Rhodes cost him the last two seasons of his career with the Packers.

Will we endure 4 ~ 8-8 (if we can do that of course) type seasons before we end up a serious super bowl threat? Or do we take a serious look at the performance of this year and make the call when it's all said and done?

Ron Wolfe started in Green Bay in late 1991 during a dismal 4-12 season.

Record by years:
1992: 9-7 (Trades for Favre, Hires Holmgren) No Playoffs
1993: 9-7 (Reggie White is signed) Playoffs
1994: 9-7 (Sterling Sharpe's Career is over) Playoffs
1995: 11-5 NFC Championship Loss
1996: 13-3 Super Bowl Champs
1997: 13-3 Super Bowl Runner Up
1998: 11-5 Playoffs
1999: 8-8 (Ray Rhodes era)
2000: 9-7 Playoffs (Mike Sherman Hired - Wolfe's last year as GM)

Wolf: Never a losing season

Mike Sherman:
2001: 12-4 Playoffs
2002: 12-4 Playoffs
2003: 10-6 Playoffs
2004: 10-6 Playoffs

Sherman: Never a losing season

Ted Thompson
2005: 4-12
2006: 8-8 (McCarthy Hired)

Ted Thompson: Awaiting first winning season.