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  • #31
    Originally posted by Bossman641
    Mendenhall, he is a beast.
    I would be for taking him but only if he can play tight end. Otherwise he will just rot on our bench behind every other WR we have until one of them gets injured. He has great speed and is a big kid that can stretch the field. It would be nice to have a triple TE threat to get us out of so many 4-5 wide out packages.
    "Once the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic.”
    – Benjamin Franklin

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    • #32
      Originally posted by chain_gang
      what about this guy at CB maybe in the 2nd they vary on the draft projections. (I know a little early to be talking about draft sleepers). Haven't seen much of him, but he adds a little weight to his frame, is as athletic as they come.

      Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, DS #4 CB, Tennessee State

      Ht: 6-2 Wt: 182 Speed: 4.38

      2008 Scout.com NFL Draft Rankings (full list):
      Pos: CB Pos Rank: #5


      Biography:
      Career at TSU: Made an immediate impact in his true freshman season...Sparked the Tigers with several big plays during the course of the season...Look upon to continue progress and be a solid secondary player at a cornerback position for three more years...Returned both pass interceptions for touchdowns, one a 35-yard score vs. Jackson State in the Southern Heritage Classic victory...Second score was a 56-yard return for TD early in Samford game...Third TD came on a two-yard fumble return for a touchdown at Eastern Illinois...Had 22 solo among 33 total tackles.

      Personal: Majoring in psychology...Selected TSU because of its academic program...Son of Melissa Williams and Stanley Cromartie...Born April 7, 1986



      Here's the some more.



      One of the highest rated cornerbacks for the 2008 NFL Draft is Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie from Tennessee State. Rogers is dominant on the Division 1AA level and is a first team Division 1AA All American from Lindy’s, a first-team All-Ohio Valley pick, and on almost every other Division 1AA first Team All-American list in the nation. Rodgers is a ball hawk; he snatched a league-best six interceptions last year to go along with his 47 tackles (35 solo). The senior from Bradenton Florida also recorded 13 passes defended, 2 Tackles for loss and 1 blocked kick.

      That is all fine and dandy, a lot of defensive backs put up incredible numbers at the small school level, but what separates Rogers is his speed and athletic ability. Rogers has world class speed and jumping ability which will allow him to compete with the big boys in the NFL. Rodgers was named the Ohio Valley Conference Indoor Track Championships Top Male athlete after winning first place in the 60 meter dash (6.89 seconds), the Long Jump (25.75), and the High Jump (6-09.5). He also finished second place in the Triple Jump at (48-08).

      Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is a solid NFL Prospect and with strong senior season should get an invite to the 2008 NFL Scouting Combine, but at 6’ 2” 178 pounds, he will have to bulk up and get a little stronger to match up with the Terrell Owens’s of the NFL. Right now, he looks to me like a late round selection in the 2008 NFL Draft.
      One of the top CBs is a later round selection? I am not following this. Is he related to the San Diego CB?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Merlin
        [I would think OT has to be in our need list. Clifton and Tauscher aren't getting any younger and we really have no one right now that can take over for them and play as well as they are on the roster. We can't afford to wait 2-3 years from now when they retire to fill the position, we need that depth now. OG isn't as much of a need as a want due to the inconsistent play we are getting out of that position. We have experienced that type of play for 3 seasons now and I don't think bringing in a pair of rookies to make a 4th season of inconsistency is smart.
        I can understand the argument that we need to draft OT, but I think both Moll and Colledge are natural tackles and are well suited to take over the two tackle positions with quality and experienced play when necessary. That means, IMO, we need more depth at the guard position as a priority. Perhaps Coston and Spitz are the answers, but I'd like to see someone push them for the starting job as the transition along the line I'm projecting to happen takes place. Barbre could also be part of the answer at guard, but we just don't know yet.

        Originally posted by Merlin
        Corner backs are normally not first round picks and for once I would like to see a play maker taken that can contribute day one, not 4-5 seasons from now, not person who doesn't make the game day roster, but now. We need depth at running back and I am not sold on anyone accept Grant and Herron, although Herron will be cut I am sure because he isn't well liked for whatever reason. Jackson isn't progressing all though he is running harder then prior to Grant starting (gee what a shock a rookie learning from a veteran), Wynn and Morency cannot stay healthy so we need to cut them loose.

        I am not against taking a good RB in the first round, but if your season keep progressing, there more then likely won't be anyone worthwhile when we pick. I have always liked Andre Woodson, the QB from Kentucky, and if you are looking to bring in a QB, I would grab him no matter the round. Based upon our Thompson era first round picks, it wouldn't be a stretch.
        I agree with RB (except your Herron love). Wynn has talent, but it does no good on the injury list. I'm willing to give him another look next year. I think Jackson can be a good situational solution. Herron will never be part of any real solution, IMO. We need another good RB that can compete with Grant for carries. I won't be surprised to see us make a run for Derrick Ward in the offseason. I believe he'll be a FA this offseason.

        I don't buy into any rules that say "you don't draft this position in the first round." You see the BPA, you take him at that point - regardless of what position he plays, with the obvious exception of kicker or punter. Cornerback is a cornerston position in our defense, and is as valuable as any other position on the team.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Merlin
          Originally posted by Bossman641
          Mendenhall, he is a beast.
          I would be for taking him but only if he can play tight end. Otherwise he will just rot on our bench behind every other WR we have until one of them gets injured. He has great speed and is a big kid that can stretch the field. It would be nice to have a triple TE threat to get us out of so many 4-5 wide out packages.
          There is an expression about keeping your mouth shut and letting people wonder if you are a fool as opposed to opening it and confirming that you are. Think about that.

          You want to take a top 20 pick who is a RUNNING BACK and convert a five eleven player to tight end? Yowsa.

          Try actually KNOWING the players before you comment.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Merlin
            Originally posted by vince
            I don't watch many college games or scout prospects, and I know TT doesnt' draft based on need, but I'm thinking we are looking at the the following priorities in terms of need...

            1. CB
            2. OG
            3. LB
            4. DE
            5. RB
            6. TE
            7. QB
            I would think OT has to be in our need list. Clifton and Tauscher aren't getting any younger and we really have no one right now that can take over for them and play as well as they are on the roster. We can't afford to wait 2-3 years from now when they retire to fill the position, we need that depth now. OG isn't as much of a need as a want due to the inconsistent play we are getting out of that position. We have experienced that type of play for 3 seasons now and I don't think bringing in a pair of rookies to make a 4th season of inconsistency is smart. Corner backs are normally not first round picks and for once I would like to see a play maker taken that can contribute day one, not 4-5 seasons from now, not person who doesn't make the game day roster, but now.
            Do you actually follow football? Or do you just make it up as you go and hope people think you know what you are talking about.

            2007: 3 cornerbacks taken in the first round.
            2006: 4 in the first
            2005: 2 in the first
            2004: 4
            2003: 5
            2002: 2
            2001: 3
            2000: 2
            1999: 5
            1998: 4
            1997: 5

            A ten year STATISTISCAL average results in 3.9 taken in the first round. There are 32 first round picks. If we determine that there are 12 positions in football, and this is being GENEROUS to you (rb, qb, tackle, guard, center, te, wr, de, dt, lb, safety, cb), instead of looking at a breakdown that would further refine the positions (including fb, mlb, sam, etc) and one would expect that 8.333 percent of players drafted in the first round would be CORNERBACKS.

            Meaning that approximately 2.6 cornerbacks should be drafted.

            Clearly that isn't true, and EVERY freaking GM knows that cornerbacks are harder to find and therefore they draft them early and often, often reaching on players (ie, Ahmad, Sammy Davis, Philip Buchanon, Willie Middlebrooks).

            Any other stupid posts that I need to correct Merlin?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Merlin
              Originally posted by Bossman641
              Mendenhall, he is a beast.
              I would be for taking him but only if he can play tight end. Otherwise he will just rot on our bench behind every other WR we have until one of them gets injured. He has great speed and is a big kid that can stretch the field. It would be nice to have a triple TE threat to get us out of so many 4-5 wide out packages.
              ?
              What?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                Originally posted by Merlin
                Originally posted by Bossman641
                Mendenhall, he is a beast.
                I would be for taking him but only if he can play tight end. Otherwise he will just rot on our bench behind every other WR we have until one of them gets injured. He has great speed and is a big kid that can stretch the field. It would be nice to have a triple TE threat to get us out of so many 4-5 wide out packages.
                There is an expression about keeping your mouth shut and letting people wonder if you are a fool as opposed to opening it and confirming that you are. Think about that.

                You want to take a top 20 pick who is a RUNNING BACK and convert a five eleven player to tight end? Yowsa.

                Try actually KNOWING the players before you comment.
                Everyone knows I think Merlin's a moron, but in his defense, I think he's confused Manningham with Mendenhall. Easy to do right? I mean sure, one plays WR for UM, the other RB for IU, but they're almost the same player... right?
                "You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by SkinBasket
                  Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                  Originally posted by Merlin
                  Originally posted by Bossman641
                  Mendenhall, he is a beast.
                  I would be for taking him but only if he can play tight end. Otherwise he will just rot on our bench behind every other WR we have until one of them gets injured. He has great speed and is a big kid that can stretch the field. It would be nice to have a triple TE threat to get us out of so many 4-5 wide out packages.
                  There is an expression about keeping your mouth shut and letting people wonder if you are a fool as opposed to opening it and confirming that you are. Think about that.

                  You want to take a top 20 pick who is a RUNNING BACK and convert a five eleven player to tight end? Yowsa.

                  Try actually KNOWING the players before you comment.
                  Everyone knows I think Merlin's a moron, but in his defense, I think he's confused Manningham with Mendenhall. Easy to do right? I mean sure, one plays WR for UM, the other RB for IU, but they're almost the same player... right?
                  And, they are black. So easy to confuse since they all look alike.

                  But, let's go with your assumption that he confused him with MM. "Big kid," ummm, at six feet zero and 178 pounds i don't see much of a future at TE. Perhaps fullback, but i just don't see TE.

                  Is it possible for him to actually KNOW who he is talking about before posting? I mean, it is all good to have an opinion, but is it possible to have it grounded in reality?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                    Is it possible for him to actually KNOW who he is talking about before posting? I mean, it is all good to have an opinion, but is it possible to have it grounded in reality?
                    Quick answer: No.

                    That would go against his whole shtick of being a clueless blowhard who defends his ill-informed opinions to the death. Well at least until someone shows him why he's a moron anyway, usually by quoting one of his earlier posts. Then he blinks out for a couple of days before coming back like nothing ever happened. Merlin is a magician after all.
                    "You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by SkinBasket
                      Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                      Is it possible for him to actually KNOW who he is talking about before posting? I mean, it is all good to have an opinion, but is it possible to have it grounded in reality?
                      Quick answer: No.

                      That would go against his whole shtick of being a clueless blowhard who defends his ill-informed opinions to the death. Well at least until someone shows him why he's a moron anyway, usually by quoting one of his earlier posts. Then he blinks out for a couple of days before coming back like nothing ever happened. Merlin is a magician after all.
                      Almost crying from laughing.

                      I never thought of it is shtick. He is the Great Ballantine of PackerRats. Or maybe Norm Crosby.

                      Merlin is comedy genius.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                        Originally posted by Merlin
                        Originally posted by Bossman641
                        Mendenhall, he is a beast.
                        I would be for taking him but only if he can play tight end. Otherwise he will just rot on our bench behind every other WR we have until one of them gets injured. He has great speed and is a big kid that can stretch the field. It would be nice to have a triple TE threat to get us out of so many 4-5 wide out packages.
                        There is an expression about keeping your mouth shut and letting people wonder if you are a fool as opposed to opening it and confirming that you are. Think about that.

                        You want to take a top 20 pick who is a RUNNING BACK and convert a five eleven player to tight end? Yowsa.

                        Try actually KNOWING the players before you comment.
                        I thought Mendenhall was Mario Manningham from Michigan, I got the names mixed up. But then again, you never make mistakes right?
                        "Once the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic.”
                        – Benjamin Franklin

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                          Originally posted by Merlin
                          Originally posted by vince
                          I don't watch many college games or scout prospects, and I know TT doesnt' draft based on need, but I'm thinking we are looking at the the following priorities in terms of need...

                          1. CB
                          2. OG
                          3. LB
                          4. DE
                          5. RB
                          6. TE
                          7. QB
                          I would think OT has to be in our need list. Clifton and Tauscher aren't getting any younger and we really have no one right now that can take over for them and play as well as they are on the roster. We can't afford to wait 2-3 years from now when they retire to fill the position, we need that depth now. OG isn't as much of a need as a want due to the inconsistent play we are getting out of that position. We have experienced that type of play for 3 seasons now and I don't think bringing in a pair of rookies to make a 4th season of inconsistency is smart. Corner backs are normally not first round picks and for once I would like to see a play maker taken that can contribute day one, not 4-5 seasons from now, not person who doesn't make the game day roster, but now.
                          Do you actually follow football? Or do you just make it up as you go and hope people think you know what you are talking about.

                          2007: 3 cornerbacks taken in the first round.
                          2006: 4 in the first
                          2005: 2 in the first
                          2004: 4
                          2003: 5
                          2002: 2
                          2001: 3
                          2000: 2
                          1999: 5
                          1998: 4
                          1997: 5

                          A ten year STATISTISCAL average results in 3.9 taken in the first round. There are 32 first round picks. If we determine that there are 12 positions in football, and this is being GENEROUS to you (rb, qb, tackle, guard, center, te, wr, de, dt, lb, safety, cb), instead of looking at a breakdown that would further refine the positions (including fb, mlb, sam, etc) and one would expect that 8.333 percent of players drafted in the first round would be CORNERBACKS.

                          Meaning that approximately 2.6 cornerbacks should be drafted.

                          Clearly that isn't true, and EVERY freaking GM knows that cornerbacks are harder to find and therefore they draft them early and often, often reaching on players (ie, Ahmad, Sammy Davis, Philip Buchanon, Willie Middlebrooks).

                          Any other stupid posts that I need to correct Merlin?
                          All those stats and still NO ONE to take over for Woodson & Harris on the roster. Just because we drafted it doesn't mean they made the team dillhole.

                          Any other stupid comments TB?
                          "Once the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic.”
                          – Benjamin Franklin

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                          • #43
                            I think its about time to stop with the mean-spirited remarks. There is no need for that.

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                            • #44
                              Corner backs are normally not first round picks
                              I beg to differ. I think TB has already posted the number drafted per year, so I won't go into spouting off names like Revis, Hall, and Ross at CB, plus Landry and Meriweather at S. Oops, I guess I just did.

                              I can think of a few CB 1st rounders just for GB -- Vinnie Clark, Leroy Butler, Antuan Edwards, Craig Newsome, Ahmad Carrol, and of course Terrell Buckley. That's six in less than 20 years.

                              Actually, I see CB as a big need. Bush is learning, and I like Tramon, but the starters are getting old. The OL still needs depth, but I'd be surprised if TT went OL in R1. I agree with Vince that you don't NOT take someone in R1 because of their position, but you do take the BPA. The thing is the BPA is subjective and may be affected by the perceived importance of the position, which is why so many QBs get taken early.

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                              • #45
                                Merlin reminds me of Farva from supertroopers
                                "I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious." - Vince Lombardi

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