RYAN GRANT

[Bretsky]

IMO it's important Grant has another solid game tomorrow ?

Anybody have an injury update on him ?????

[HarveyWallbangers]

Listed as probable. Should play. Not sure I should start him in fantasy ball. It's either him, Maurice Morris, or Ced Benson to pair with Joseph Addai.

[4and12to12and4]

I've been telling you guys this all year, Jackson is our guy, he needs to get the rest of the starts so he is more experienced with our line for the playoffs. He has much more upside than Grant, he can cutback better without losing power, and he can avoid and run through tackles better. He just needs reps out there with the line to get his groove, the only thing Grant has been doing that he hasn't is seeing no holes and running outside the tackles to turn a no gainer into positive yardage, but Jackson can do that, he just needs more reps. Don't bet against me here, barring injury he will be our starter for years to come and Grant will disappear. He's much stronger and can break tackles better. He seems just a bit slower but has better quickness and jukes. To hell with Grant. He's a backup. Jackson can evolve as a better blocker too, much more strength upper and lower body. Grant is a poor man's Reggie Bush, good speed without the jukes.

[BF4MVP]

I've been telling you guys this all year, Jackson is our guy, he needs to get the rest of the starts so he is more experienced with our line for the playoffs. He has much more upside than Grant, he can cutback better without losing power, and he can avoid and run through tackles better. He just needs reps out there with the line to get his groove, the only thing Grant has been doing that he hasn't is seeing no holes and running outside the tackles to turn a no gainer into positive yardage, but Jackson can do that, he just needs more reps. Don't bet against me here, barring injury he will be our starter for years to come and Grant will disappear. He's much stronger and can break tackles better. He seems just a bit slower but has better quickness and jukes. To hell with Grant. He's a backup. Jackson can evolve as a better blocker too, much more strength upper and lower body. Grant is a poor man's Reggie Bush, good speed without the jukes.

Absolutely nothing you just posted is true at this point..In fact, one of the things that makes Grant so much better than Jackson right now is his ability to cut back without losing speed..Jackson can't do that right now..In fact instead of hitting the hole hard he always stutter steps and the hole closes up on him..He's just not a good player right now. Grant is the guy..

[HarveyWallbangers]

Grant has shown WAY more than Jackson this year. He's the starter for the rest of the year--unless he gets injured. He's the guy we should be grooming as our future RB. This coming from a guy who thought Jackson would be sweet this year.

[4and12to12and4]

You guys are watching with blinders on. Yes, Grant has made some adjustments, like I said, when there's no hole he will go off tackle and gain outside yards, he has the speed to do that, Jackson hasn't shown his cutback ability because he hasn't gotten the reps and opportunity. I've watched him cutback, and he is very capable of doing that and getting back up to speed quickly, he has just made rookie mistakes and is nervous out there. He needs reps to gel with the line, and he will show you all that he has more talent than Grant BY FAR. His youth and inexperience is what's the problem, they need to get him in there NOW so he has his sea legs for the playoffs. Grant won't do shit against a good defense prepared for him. Jackson has a much higher up side. You'll see.

Grant is Herron with a little more speed.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Reps and opportunity? He got all of the reps and opportunities in training camp because Wynn and Morency were injured (and Herron) and Grant was playing for the Giants. Grant is doing well, and he didn't even sign with the team until week 1. Jackson had all of training camp, all of preseason, and the first few games to show something. He didn't. I won't write him off, but he looks like a 3rd down RB to me.

[Carolina_Packer]

Grant vs. Jackson...sounds Civil War-esque. Just glad there's no more Sherman.

The cream WILL rise to the top. If Jackson starts bringing it, it won't be invisible or go unnoticed.

[4and12to12and4]

Grant vs. Jackson...sounds Civil War-esque. Just glad there's no more Sherman.

The cream WILL rise to the top. If Jackson starts bringing it, it won't be invisible or go unnoticed.

You are right, but it can't rise if it's standing on the sidelines. Put him in the game for the rest of the year, what's it gonna hurt, we're are already gonna get a bye in the playoffs, no matter what RB starts, lets get him experience, he is better than most think, he is stronger and quicker in his cuts, and can break tackles better than Grant. Grant is fast, I will say that, but teams will figure him out, and he's not a starter quality back. He left 80 or more yards on the field against a horrendous defense in Denver, and Jackson is better. Wait and see.

[Bretsky]

Grant vs. Jackson...sounds Civil War-esque. Just glad there's no more Sherman.

The cream WILL rise to the top. If Jackson starts bringing it, it won't be invisible or go unnoticed.

You are right, but it can't rise if it's standing on the sidelines. Put him in the game for the rest of the year, what's it gonna hurt, we're are already gonna get a bye in the playoffs, no matter what RB starts, lets get him experience, he is better than most think, he is stronger and quicker in his cuts, and can break tackles better than Grant. Grant is fast, I will say that, but teams will figure him out, and he's not a starter quality back. He left 80 or more yards on the field against a horrendous defense in Denver, and Jackson is better. Wait and see.

Jackson lacks the instincts Grant has; Jackson is often indecisive. Jackson was not good enough to be the dominant back in his college offense. Jackson had every opportunity in the world while everybody else was hurt and his play was not good enough. I see flashes, but few and far between so far.

We're in a playoff race; you play your best guy right now. That is Grant. They'll all get their chances in the preseason again.

I agree with HW that we should be grooming Grant, and if he's not the guy than we have this offseason to find the guy.

[Carolina_Packer]

OK, I'll trust you. There's gotta be some reason why he was drafted in the 2nd round. Can't be a total reach/stiff. Like most, I think he gets an incomplete. Fans need to see him flash his game. Grant has done that already. Obviously health has been an issue with Jackson and if it continues to be, will likely factor into any argument made in defense of his ability. I would love to see his abilities on full display just like you! I don't care who produces, as long as the team wins. It's certainly isn't and doesn't have to be a one man show.

[HarveyWallbangers]

OK, I'll trust you. There's gotta be some reason why he was drafted in the 2nd round. Can't be a total reach/stiff.

Why not? Plenty of guys have been 2nd round busts. Hell, there have been busts drafted in the top 10. Tony Mandarich, Jamal Reynolds, Troy Williamson, Curtis Enis come to mind.

[4and12to12and4]

Grant vs. Jackson...sounds Civil War-esque. Just glad there's no more Sherman.

The cream WILL rise to the top. If Jackson starts bringing it, it won't be invisible or go unnoticed.

You are right, but it can't rise if it's standing on the sidelines. Put him in the game for the rest of the year, what's it gonna hurt, we're are already gonna get a bye in the playoffs, no matter what RB starts, lets get him experience, he is better than most think, he is stronger and quicker in his cuts, and can break tackles better than Grant. Grant is fast, I will say that, but teams will figure him out, and he's not a starter quality back. He left 80 or more yards on the field against a horrendous defense in Denver, and Jackson is better. Wait and see.

Jackson lacks the instincts Grant has; Jackson is often indecisive. Jackson was not good enough to be the dominant back in his college offense. Jackson had every opportunity in the world while everybody else was hurt and his play was not good enough. I see flashes, but few and far between so far.

We're in a playoff race; you play your best guy right now. That is Grant. They'll all get their chances in the preseason again.

I agree with HW that we should be grooming Grant, and if he's not the guy than we have this offseason to find the guy.

I totally agree about is indecision. But it's because he's a rookie and needs to be out on the field figuring out what his line is gonna do. We are almost a lock for a bye week, and we need to get him out there to get experience for the playoffs and so he can lose that stutter step and be more decisive, but he hasn't really had much of an opportunity, and the line has shuffled with Wells out, etc, and I think if he can play these final 6 games, he will be a stud in the playoffs, and will show his exposiveness and cutting ability, he just has to gain confidence in where his offensive line is going to be, that will change his game, and allow him to play instinctively, and show everyone here that he simply has more talent to work with than Mr. Grant, who IMO will be reinjured before the playoffs. And if they continue to give Grant all the reps and he gets injured for the playoffs, then Jackson will be coming in with no confidence in himself or his line, and play like shit. And I don't wanna see Morency run one more time out of the backfield, my grandmother could tackle him on a bad angle. He is weak, and can't get passed anybody. I can't stand him, we should get rid of him now. He sucks. Put Jackson in for the rest of the year, and we might be able to beat the Cowboys in the playoffs, otherwise, we will be watching the Boys in the Superbowl, unless MM plays 5 receiver sets 80% of the game.

[Bretsky]

Grant vs. Jackson...sounds Civil War-esque. Just glad there's no more Sherman.

The cream WILL rise to the top. If Jackson starts bringing it, it won't be invisible or go unnoticed.

You are right, but it can't rise if it's standing on the sidelines. Put him in the game for the rest of the year, what's it gonna hurt, we're are already gonna get a bye in the playoffs, no matter what RB starts, lets get him experience, he is better than most think, he is stronger and quicker in his cuts, and can break tackles better than Grant. Grant is fast, I will say that, but teams will figure him out, and he's not a starter quality back. He left 80 or more yards on the field against a horrendous defense in Denver, and Jackson is better. Wait and see.

Jackson lacks the instincts Grant has; Jackson is often indecisive. Jackson was not good enough to be the dominant back in his college offense. Jackson had every opportunity in the world while everybody else was hurt and his play was not good enough. I see flashes, but few and far between so far.

We're in a playoff race; you play your best guy right now. That is Grant. They'll all get their chances in the preseason again.

I agree with HW that we should be grooming Grant, and if he's not the guy than we have this offseason to find the guy.

I totally agree about is indecision. But it's because he's a rookie and needs to be out on the field figuring out what his line is gonna do. We are almost a lock for a bye week, and we need to get him out there to get experience for the playoffs and so he can lose that stutter step and be more decisive, but he hasn't really had much of an opportunity, and the line has shuffled with Wells out, etc, and I think if he can play these final 6 games, he will be a stud in the playoffs, and will show his exposiveness and cutting ability, he just has to gain confidence in where his offensive line is going to be, that will change his game, and allow him to play instinctively, and show everyone here that he simply has more talent to work with than Mr. Grant, who IMO will be reinjured before the playoffs. And if they continue to give Grant all the reps and he gets injured for the playoffs, then Jackson will be coming in with no confidence in himself or his line, and play like shit. And I don't wanna see Morency run one more time out of the backfield, my grandmother could tackle him on a bad angle. He is weak, and can't get passed anybody. I can't stand him, we should get rid of him now. He sucks. Put Jackson in for the rest of the year, and we might be able to beat the Cowboys in the playoffs, otherwise, we will be watching the Boys in the Superbowl, unless MM plays 5 receiver sets 80% of the game.

I just don't get the "lack of opportunity" stuff

He had nearly the entire preseason with the #1 offense. He had the first few games. Morency was hurt, Grant was hurt, and Wynn was off and on. He's had more of an opportunity to pick things up then any RB on the team.

We're not playing for a bye; we're trying to get homefield as well. That's why you don't give out courtesy playing time. You ride Grant because he gives us the best chance to win now.

I hope you are right about Jackson; but he's had plenty plenty of chances to strut his stuff and part of the reason Wynn was emerging was because Jackson had failed to do so.

[Guiness]

Curtis Enis!!! Loved that guy
Set the Bears back some.


Awfully argumentative in a couple of threads tonight 4and12...shouldn't drink and type, y'know