A new job for Sherman

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Everyone with a brain knows the average career is less than 4 years. However, you are obviously not familiar with the terms: mean, median, and mode.

In order for you to present any sort of argument you would have to determine it by position, by starter, etc. For example, offensive linemen have a much longer life than running backs. Using a average is just dumb.

You are so stupid that it pains me. For example, if I have a player that plays one game and then never plays again that counts. There are tons of guys who get a cup of coffee in the NFL.

That's a little harsh, don't you think? Read your post again as if someone were saying it to you. And I know plenty of people with very high-functioning brains who would have no idea of the average NFL career. It is possible to make your point and still respect your fellow poster, or are you just trying to be a cyberbully like Mad said. I'm starting to think he has a VERY valid point.

I hear your point. However, I dont' think you would have gone round and round with me and acted like he has before i said that.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

That's a little harsh, don't you think? Read your post again as if someone were saying it to you. And I know plenty of people with very high-functioning brains who would have no idea of the average NFL career. It is possible to make your point and still respect your fellow poster, or are you just trying to be a cyberbully like Mad said. I'm starting to think he has a VERY valid point.

This is Bigguns only defense. When he knows he is wrong, he demands that his foil produce a doctoral thesis on the topic at hand or he dismisses their notions as speculation and hodge-podge...regardless of whether or not they make sense.

In this case, he pulled some nonsense about Parcells out of his ass...didn't document where he got it, just tossed it out there as if it validated his opinion.

Clearly, the comment as he stated it is incorrect. Parcells would never say that a 33% success rate at getting drafted players on your roster is optimal. It likely was in reference to drafted players becoming STARTERS, not simply making the roster.

However, Bigguns won't wise up to his error...nor will he admit that other people are correct in calling him out on it, unless they provide a doctoral thesis otherwise.

I don't require anything of the sort. I require that you present some sort of facts that backup your assertations. Which you rarely do. And, if you do, don't understand basic stats.

Asking you for a doctoral thesis would really be pushing it.

You make all sorts of speculation.

Parcells: If i could find it i would. But, I wouldn't say something like an idiot and say he never said it. Maybe it was in reference to starters. I could see that being said.

Therefore i will no cease and say that you are right that 1/3 of draftees need to become starters.

Therefore you should be happy and you can now retract statements that i never admit wrongheadness.

[The Leaper]

I don't require anything of the sort. I require that you present some sort of facts that backup your assertations. Which you rarely do. And, if you do, don't understand basic stats.

I offered a simple hypothesis. I clearly acknowledged it was a complete assumption on my part...but I tried to make it logical based on what seems reasonable.

You offer no evidence to say that my reasonable assumption was incorrect...so I will stand by my assumption and hypothesis as being 100% correct until you do.

Having 1/3 of your draft picks make the roster is not going to cut it in the NFL. Hell, Matt Millen probably is batting that well.

[Merlin]

You also cannot blame the past two seasons on Sherman because he wasn't the guy bringing in the personell, Thompson was. You also have some serious bias issues going on here. GMs make mistakes but Sherman gets crucified and Thompson gets a pass? Why? Because Thompson is barely over .500 in three years as the Packers GM? Because we are 10-1? Why does he get a pass? Why does he get a pass on Justin Harrell? Why does he get a pass on Marquand Manual? Adrian Klemm? O'Dwyer? Why? How about Desawn Wynn? Brandon Jackson? Coston? Colledge? Spitz?

Two years ago, Thompson's team was playing with mostly Sherman personnel, but that's a little beside the point. The only thing I really blame Sherman for was trading up to get a punter and then keeping him inactive on the roster when he didn't perform well. That is not good GM work no matter what else he did and he did do some good things, bringing in some great players (who, coincidentally all by now have had time to develop to their potential). Why does Thompson get a pass? Here's why. He took over a team that went 4-12 his first year here. In his second year, they went 8-8 with a lot of rookies he brought in. Not contending but an improvement which is what you look for year to year. They almost made the playoffs even with that record. This year they're 10-1 and on a tear, possibly looking at a first-round bye in the playoffs. Even if (god forbid) they lose out the rest of the season--and I don't see that happening, do you? It would still be an improvement over last season. That's what you look for--improvement, right?

He gets a pass on Harrel because it's just too soon to tell. Let him have time to develop like all of Sherman's guys have had and then judge him. He gets a pass on Manual because he brought in someone he thought would be good and when someone else proved better, he didn't hang on to him to feed his own ego. Manual didn't perform=Manual is gone. Same with Klemm and O'Dwyer. They didn't perform to expectations. Are they still here? DeShawn Wynn was a 7th round pick. He's made some contributions but how many 7th rounders don't even make their teams much less get a chance to play? Brandon Jackson may still turn into something. I'm not giving up on him, but I know if he doesn't perform as well as other RB's, he will be gone. Coston, Colledge, Spitz? As far as I can tell, the line is doing what they did last year without as much max protect. Last I checked, Favre's jersey is staying pretty clean. Colledge I'm still not thrilled with this season, though he seems to be doing better after having a "chat" with his coach (you know, the really good coach that our GM found for us).

There are high expectations around this team. It is a talented bunch. They are a GOOD TEAM, balanced and face it, do you REALLY think they're going to lose many more games this season? Collins gets injured, Rouse steps in. Woodson left the Detroit game and we still won. Are they perfect? no, yet we found out last night that not even NE is perfect though like them we're still winning the games even when imperfect. Why do you have such a hard time admitting that the man has assemble a VERY GOOD football team?

So we need to see how Thompson's picks work out before we can crown him a genius huh? That is the standard you applied to Sherman right? Well since you are dismissing his first year and excusing our guards for their poor play for 2 years (really 3 but you dismissed that year), our poor running game for 2 years, and then asking me why I can't get on board, why then are you on board? Your benchmarks for Sherman haven't even been met by Thompson. They are your benchmarks after all but you aren't applying them equally. 10-1 is no excuse to change how you grade a good GM. Sherman never had a losing season as a GM, but I am sure that was all to the inherited talent he got from Wolf and Thompson's 4-12 was due to Sherman's talent. That is what you said right?

Contrary to popular and misguided belief, I am not on the fire Ted Thompson band wagon. I will admit after 4-12 and his lethargic approach to helping this team with real players, I wanted him gone. I did retract that and say that he needs more time. However the Justin Harrell pick can easily be compared to the BJ Sanders pick. It was wrong for Sherman to trade up for him and then keep him on the roster. It was wrong of Thompson to take Harrell in the first round and keep him on the roster. For all intents and purposes, they have equal playing time on an NFL team in their first season. But you view those differently. I don't. Apples to Apples.

[The Leaper]

However the Justin Harrell pick can easily be compared to the BJ Sanders pick.

Not really.

Taking a punter in the 3rd round is a stretch even if the guy pans out. Punters simply don't provide that much impact. Having a great one is a luxury, not a necessity.

Taking a guy who could potentially be a dominant DT is almost a no-brainer whenever you have the chance.

That...and the fact that Harrell still has plenty of time left to contribute to the organization. He could turn out to be a Pro Bowler...or a dud...or anywhere inbetween.

Too early to start comparing Sanders to Harrell. Few DTs make an immediate impact in the NFL.

[packrat]

Keep it up Merlin. You repeated criticism of TT is the key to the Pack's continued success. A couple more posts like this, and a win over Dallas is assured. Thank you!

[MJZiggy]

(Actually I crown him a genius because this team is performing at a Super Bowl capable level at least 2-3 years before everyone on the planet thought they could. I'm curious as to how our guards can possibly have been playing poorly for 2 o 3 years, when they're only in their second year. Given the fact that they can possibly clinch a playoff berth by week 12, I can't really see why you're not on board, actually. When's the last time we clinched in week 12 (I'm not looking it up but I bet it's been longer than you're guessing).

I don't think you're hearing me. My benchmarks are IMPROVEMENT in their performance and record across the team (not just at RB, but it does seem that TT's found us a gem, now doesn't it). Remind me when the team's performance and record IMPROVED from year to year under Sherman's tenure at GM...

And I didn't blame 4-12 on anyone like you seem determined to do. Injuries were too much of a factor that year to say it was the fault of the GM. However they broke even the following year so, oh look! They IMPROVED!!

If you think BJ Sanders is comparable to taking a D-lineman that other teams (Denver) were interested in then I'll really have to start to worry. Sherman traded UP and gave up picks to draft Sanders. Sanders had little potential and showed it in his performance even given time to develop. At least Harrell has potential and showed flashes in the preseason. Also, how bright was it to keep 2 punters on the team? It's said you can never have too many big d-lineman and that is being proven this week. Harrell will get playing time in Dallas. Let's at least see what he does with it. Even if Harrell turns out to be a mistake, it is not the same mistake as Sanders.

[MOBB DEEP]

SHERM-HEAD IS TERRIBLE IMHO...