Favre and the possibile bestowing of the 2007 NFL MVP award

[Merlin]

Most analysts agree that Randy Moss has more to do with Brady's numbers then he does. Some went so far as to say Brady doesn't deserve the MVP because of Moss. The AP awards the MVP and if they are paying any attention to how Brady looked when Moss was shut down in comparison to how Favre looks without Moss at all, it's plain to see which QB is carrying their team. Brady can have the single season TD record. That's all nice and everything, but a 38 year old QB that 99% of the analysts wrote off as over the hill and finished 2-3 years ago, is playing better then any other QB in the league bar none.

[The Leaper]

Most analysts agree that Randy Moss has more to do with Brady's numbers then he does. Some went so far as to say Brady doesn't deserve the MVP because of Moss. The AP awards the MVP and if they are paying any attention to how Brady looked when Moss was shut down in comparison to how Favre looks without Moss at all, it's plain to see which QB is carrying their team. Brady can have the single season TD record. That's all nice and everything, but a 38 year old QB that 99% of the analysts wrote off as over the hill and finished 2-3 years ago, is playing better then any other QB in the league bar none.

I think we would all agree...and I think most analysts would also agree that Favre is MORE VALUABLE to his team this year than Brady is to his. However, the NFL MVP has never been about value in the modern era...it has been about raw production. Brett Favre probably wasn't the most valuable player in the league in the mid-90s...but he won the awards because he was the most productive. Barry Sanders was far more valuable to a Detroit team that never had anything else to work with on either side of the ball.

[Chester Marcol]

I've heard some talk about Moss deserving MVP consideration if he keeps pace. I agree that Brady doesn't have quite the year he is having without Moss.

So, I'm looking at Moss to be the Ralph Nader in the MVP voting. Hopefully he will steal votes from Brady allowing Favre to get #4!

[The Leaper]

So, I'm looking at Moss to be the Ralph Nader in the MVP voting. Hopefully he will steal votes from Brady allowing Favre to get #4!

Keep dreaming guys.

Brady = 39 TDs, 4 INTs, 3439 yds, 72% comp

Favre = 22 TDs, 8 INTs, 3356 yds, 68% comp

Favre is well behind Brady in all categories other than yardage. It isn't even a contest. Moss isn't even going to factor into the voting. Brady is going to get almost every first place vote...and rightfully so when you look at a 10-1 TD to INT ratio. I don't care who his receivers are. That is crazy good. Those are WAC QB numbers in the NFL.

[mraynrand]

Most analysts agree that Randy Moss has more to do with Brady's numbers then he does. Some went so far as to say Brady doesn't deserve the MVP because of Moss. The AP awards the MVP and if they are paying any attention to how Brady looked when Moss was shut down in comparison to how Favre looks without Moss at all, it's plain to see which QB is carrying their team. Brady can have the single season TD record. That's all nice and everything, but a 38 year old QB that 99% of the analysts wrote off as over the hill and finished 2-3 years ago, is playing better then any other QB in the league bar none.

I think we would all agree...and I think most analysts would also agree that Favre is MORE VALUABLE to his team this year than Brady is to his. However, the NFL MVP has never been about value in the modern era...it has been about raw production. Brett Favre probably wasn't the most valuable player in the league in the mid-90s...but he won the awards because he was the most productive. Barry Sanders was far more valuable to a Detroit team that never had anything else to work with on either side of the ball.

That (and his production) was why he won the MVP (with Favre) in 1997. I could see Favre getting the votes for a co-MVP if he keeps playing as well as he has, even if Brady's numbers are huge. But really, I don't care much. Superbowl baby!

[HarveyWallbangers]

So, I'm looking at Moss to be the Ralph Nader in the MVP voting. Hopefully he will steal votes from Brady allowing Favre to get #4!

Keep dreaming guys.

Brady = 39 TDs, 4 INTs, 3439 yds, 72% comp

Favre = 22 TDs, 8 INTs, 3356 yds, 68% comp

Favre is well behind Brady in all categories other than yardage. It isn't even a contest. Moss isn't even going to factor into the voting. Brady is going to get almost every first place vote...and rightfully so when you look at a 10-1 TD to INT ratio. I don't care who his receivers are. That is crazy good. Those are WAC QB numbers in the NFL.

I agree that Brady is the clear favorite. However, I wouldn't say well ahead of him in all categories. He's one bad game from being similar in interceptions and completion %. Those TDs will win it for Brady though. He's still on pace to beat the all-time record.

[Him8123]

it`s not just Brady on that team. He has Moss, Stallworth, Welker, great defense, great offensive line to give him all the time in the world to eat a seven course meal, receive a call from his hot girlfriend before he even attempts to throw the ball. Almost any decent QB would excell on that team the way its set up. Taking nothing away from Brady because he is having a phenomenal year. But dont you think Favre is doing way more with a little less? I say Favre should easily get it. Even every anaylisis is saying that Favre is carrying the team. Brady is not. What more is there to argue?

[The Leaper]

But dont you think Favre is doing way more with a little less? I say Favre should easily get it. Even every anaylisis is saying that Favre is carrying the team. Brady is not. What more is there to argue?

Favre had just as much talent as Brady does (offensively anyway) in 2004. He didn't post anything nearly as good as Brady has. Driver, Walker, Green, a dominant OL. That offense was loaded.

Regardless of the talent around him, Brady still has to make good decisions and accurate throws. That was where Favre did not excel in 2004 with Sherman not holding him mentally accountable. Brady has a 10-1 TD to INT ratio. That is unbelievable. His play has been nearly flawless this year.

Is Favre playing well? Of course. Is he more valuable to his team? Of course. However, as I've already pointed out, the modern MVP award in professional football is about PRODUCTION, not value. Brady's production is off the charts, and you are an idiot if you believe Favre has any real chance at winning the MVP unless something drastic happens to change the current reality in the next few weeks.

[Him8123]

I see what your saying. And I didnt say Favre has a real chance. I think Brady is of course going to get it. But in my opinion I think MVP which stands for Most Valuable Player Favre should get it as even you said. Favre is more Valuable to his team right now than Brady is. Of course they are both important to their teams. But the Patriots could put their back up in, as they did a couple times earlier in the year and still score TD`s. Take Favre out and put some regular back up in and see how far we go.

[The Leaper]

Favre is more Valuable to his team right now than Brady is.

I agree. But then you may need to take away some of Favre's earlier MVPs. I think Barry Sanders was more valuable to the Lions in the mid 90s than Favre was to the Packers. The Lions were a 2-14 team if you take Barry off those teams.

I'm not going to complain. Brady deserves the MVP this year...and Favre already has 3.

The MVP I want Favre to get is the Super Bowl MVP.

[Him8123]

[/quote]That was where Favre did not excel in 2004 with Sherman not holding him mentally accountable. Brady has a 10-1 TD to INT ratio. That is unbelievable. His play has been nearly flawless this year.[/quote]

yeah that goes for the coaching and the system. Sherman did not control Favre the way Belicheck controls Brady. Now you have MM controling Favre`s playmaking more making sure he doesn`t turn the ball over. End results Favre is having a good TD to int ratio like Brady is. Just not as many TD`s. And there is still no reciever that can go up and get a ball like Moss can. It`s called jump ball all day.

[Him8123]

Favre is more Valuable to his team right now than Brady is.

I agree. But then you may need to take away some of Favre's earlier MVPs. I think Barry Sanders was more valuable to the Lions in the mid 90s than Favre was to the Packers. The Lions were a 2-14 team if you take Barry off those teams.

I'm not going to complain. Brady deserves the MVP this year...and Favre already has 3.

The MVP I want Favre to get is the Super Bowl MVP.

Very true, I couldn`t agree with you more. The SB is alot more important.

[Guiness]

I wonder what the odds of there being a co-MVP? Favre puts up a big game in Dallas with the pack underdogs, and he can't be ignored.

Not like it's unprecedented - happened just a couple years ago with Manning and McNair.

[Merlin]

Most analysts agree that Randy Moss has more to do with Brady's numbers then he does. Some went so far as to say Brady doesn't deserve the MVP because of Moss. The AP awards the MVP and if they are paying any attention to how Brady looked when Moss was shut down in comparison to how Favre looks without Moss at all, it's plain to see which QB is carrying their team. Brady can have the single season TD record. That's all nice and everything, but a 38 year old QB that 99% of the analysts wrote off as over the hill and finished 2-3 years ago, is playing better then any other QB in the league bar none.

I think we would all agree...and I think most analysts would also agree that Favre is MORE VALUABLE to his team this year than Brady is to his. However, the NFL MVP has never been about value in the modern era...it has been about raw production. Brett Favre probably wasn't the most valuable player in the league in the mid-90s...but he won the awards because he was the most productive. Barry Sanders was far more valuable to a Detroit team that never had anything else to work with on either side of the ball.

Yeah, it's not like it was when Favre played in the "old era" when it actually was the player that meant the most to his team. The player that the AP felt could play on any team and be successful. Today it's all about records. If that's the standard, then Moss could break the single season WR TD record, Brady could break the single season TD record, and all Favre has done is break career records and personal bests. To me there is no comparison, a 38 year old playing the best football of his career and breaking career records is more important that any single season record. Favre may own some more of those by the time this season is done.

[mraynrand]

Favre had just as much talent as Brady does (offensively anyway) in 2004. He didn't post anything nearly as good as Brady has. Driver, Walker, Green, a dominant OL. That offense was loaded.

Favre's numbers in 2004 were outstanding - very similar to 1997, when he won his last MVP. I think the offense was second (team) all time in total offense and total passing yards. (Favre had 'only' 30 TDs to Manning's 49 and Culpepper's 39). The team defense was horrible. The difference this year is that Brady is playing at a level never before witnessed - it's not even close. If he does cool off in the last 5, he might not shatter every single season record, but he could. It's not about Favre, but about Brady.

Favre's stats
Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating
2004
346 540 64.1 4088 7.57 30 17 92.4
1997
304 513 59.3 3867 7.54 35 16 92.6