Drafting RBs

[HarveyWallbangers]

Peterson is truly a unique talent. It's no disservice to say McFadden isn't that good.

Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk, LaDainian Tomlinson, Adrian Peterson

Guys like them don't come along often.

[SkinBasket]

I could go on and on about why McFadden will be such a good player in the NFL but it's really just too easy at this point.

It would be too easy because he hasn't played in the NFL yet. I believe a guy is a "game changer" or a "once in a decade back" when he proves it, not before. There are simply too many players that were supposed to do this and that - change the NFL, change the world, explode the very conception of the way the position is played, yadda, yadda, yadda, and ended up in India chasing their next smoke, or as a Dolphin nickel back, or as an average player with a lot of college trophies and honors on his mantle, or as a grocery bagger.

So it's all well and nice to get excited about a guy playing at the next level, but just don't go getting that McFadden Rules! tattoo just yet.

[Freak Out]

I could go on and on about why McFadden will be such a good player in the NFL but it's really just too easy at this point.

It would be too easy because he hasn't played in the NFL yet. I believe a guy is a "game changer" or a "once in a decade back" when he proves it, not before. There are simply too many players that were supposed to do this and that - change the NFL, change the world, explode the very conception of the way the position is played, yadda, yadda, yadda, and ended up in India chasing their next smoke, or as a Dolphin nickel back, or as an average player with a lot of college trophies and honors on his mantle, or as a grocery bagger.

So it's all well and nice to get excited about a guy playing at the next level, but just don't go getting that McFadden Rules! tattoo just yet.

I think McFadden will be a great NFL RB and dancer....he does have those "Nureyev" legs you look for.

[Carolina_Packer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ-bTAHYCxo&feature=related

I love watching him run, but the first run in this video is particularly stunning. His footwork is incredible.

I don't know...when you start getting into discussions about who's best...Reggie Bush, Adrian Peterson, Darren McFadden, it's like arguing who is the better guitarist. Obviously there are factors beyond their control. Reggie Bush was dominant at USC, but he is yet to show such dominance at New Orleans. AP was dominant at Oklahoma and has shown a lot of that dominance at Minnesota, with a few games being the exception. Darren McFadden looks every bit as explosive as the other two guys, but you never know what might happen. It is impressive how he makes things happen on a lot of individual effort. There are a lot of big runs where the DB's are staring at the back of his uniform and he's still finding another gear. Wow!

But, like Skin said, let's see what he does when he gets to the NFL. Again, I really hope the Patriots have no shot to draft him, because that would just suck if they got him.

[packers11]

There is no way in hell we get McFadden ...

The packers will prob get the #25 pick or higher and there is no way he is dropping that far down and there is no way T.T. will trade up...

To bad we didn't trade with SF and their first round pick

[Carolina_Packer]

It's all the 49ers fault. I knew it! Just look at this:

http://www.49erswebzone.com/content/commentary/view.php?id=548

The table shows what they did with draft day trades last year. I wasn't aware that the Patriots parlayed the 4th received in trade from the Niners last year and used to trade to Oakland to get Randy Moss. That was at Pick 110 (which incidentally was used by Oakland to pick CB John Bowie from the Bearcats of Cincinnati). The Pack picked Allen Barbre at 119.

So, not only did New England take advantage of the Niners desperation, they parlayed one of the given picks to scoop TT for Randy Moss and now might end up picking high enough to get Darren McFadden. They're good! You gotta give them that! They won't even miss the pick lost for Spygate.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Pass, i'd look at Cason from Arizona

If Cason is gone by the time the Pack drafts would you consider Mike Jenkins, CB South Florida or Jack Ikegwuonu, CB Wisconsin? Are either of them 1st round talent worthy? Mock drafts are fun, but they seem so slanted toward drafting for need, even though I think drafting for need and best player available is a sliding scale continuum, not an either/or. You're still drafting who you think is a great talent, and most likely are drafting someone you need; when do you not need talent? Would they pass on a QB if they were the best player on their board when their pick came up? Hmm...

According to JSonline, Ike prolly coming back as chance to be #1 corner.

I pray that he and beckum return. I'd settle for one of two.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

He is not as fast, as powerful, as strong, or as versatile. What's in your OJ this morning. I'm not a huge McFadden fan but if you were around here last year I was screaming for a trade up for Peterson from the rooftops.

Every draft has a Darren McFadden? Not as versatile as AP? What the hell are you talking about? McFadden can catch and run routes like a WR and even pass. That's a pretty versatile weapon. McFadden was the best back in the country last year in college and is again this year.

I agree. I just didn't want to say it or partial would say i'm being argumentatvie.

AD is a great runner, but can't catch worth a lick.

Mcfadden can do it all. Not saying he is a better runner, but definitely more versatile. Can you imagine if they split favre wide like they did but with Mcfadden at Qb/RB. Yikes.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

What little I've seen of McFadden, he's not even close to Peterson in ability.

Like I say in every other post referring to college football. Get your head out of big 11 country and watch some real football.

McFadden is a game-changer, period. Arkansas is a mediocre team at best without McFadden(Jones keeping him fresh is key as well.). McFadden has single-handidly won games for his team this year, and he isn't even a QB(well sometimes). Not to mention he has kept a pretty good bill of health the past 3 years, he never seems to take the big hit either. I could go on and on about why McFadden will be such a good player in the NFL but it's really just too easy at this point.

I respect Mr. Wallbanger, but on this one i'm squarely in Mc's camp.

Arkansas last year had a qb who made Donovan look like...well, Leinart. Dick was terrible, yet that team contended for the SEC title.

This year, dick is better, and Mc still carries that team. Man, he has over 300 carries and he hasn't been hurt. 284 last year. AD couldn't make it thru a season without getting dinged up pretty good. AD is way more physical and so that takes a toll.

AD could be a great but shortlived back like the tyler rose. If he doesn't learn to avoid hitting people he won't play more than 7 years.

I'm sold on Mc. I'm not sold on a first round pick of a rb for the pack. But, if they took him or got him some how, i'd be very happy.

[superfan]

Not a terribly big bet since we've only got two decent backs on the roster, Grant and Jackson. Wynn and Morency are easily replaceable.

If Wynn learns how to work out in the off-season, he might have a shot at a back-up spot next year, but I'm not convinced that'll happen given his complaining about being put on IR.

Morency is a place holder until we find someone with more upside to develop and play ST.

You missed Noah "The Franchise" Herron. Like the new Chevy Malibu, you can't miss Noah Herron.

Herron is the Chevy Malibu of running backs.

[superfan]

Sure, no doubt we could use him. But, can we use him more than another once in a decade CB, QB, etc.

And, with our offense is he the right back or get the use that a traditional running team would?

Good to great RBs are found all the time. History shows you can win the superbowl without having the greatest back. Infact, great backs often don't win the superbowl, Dickerson, OJ, Payton didn't win till he was long gone from being a great back, etc.

NE wins without a great back..Dillon long gone from that role. GB wins with Dorsey. Ravens with Lewis. Bucs win with Pittman. Steelers win without great back. Colts as well.

I understand and acknowlege what you are saying. This is a difference in drafting philosophy. Same as others saying don't draft a linemen in the first round.

Funny, but i recall a similar thread around draft time last year.

Agree with everything here except the part about Payton. Payton was still a very good back when the Bears won the Superbowl. He was third in rushing yards and yards from scrimmage that year, and it was the 4th best season of his career in terms of rushing yards.

[superfan]

According to JSonline, Ike prolly coming back as chance to be #1 corner.

I pray that he and beckum return. I'd settle for one of two.

Ike has not been very impressive this year at all, nothing like Scott Starks or Jamar Fletcher when they were at UW. Maybe because of injuries or the overall poor play of the defense, who knows. I think it would be wise for him to stay another year.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Sure, no doubt we could use him. But, can we use him more than another once in a decade CB, QB, etc.

And, with our offense is he the right back or get the use that a traditional running team would?

Good to great RBs are found all the time. History shows you can win the superbowl without having the greatest back. Infact, great backs often don't win the superbowl, Dickerson, OJ, Payton didn't win till he was long gone from being a great back, etc.

NE wins without a great back..Dillon long gone from that role. GB wins with Dorsey. Ravens with Lewis. Bucs win with Pittman. Steelers win without great back. Colts as well.

I understand and acknowlege what you are saying. This is a difference in drafting philosophy. Same as others saying don't draft a linemen in the first round.

Funny, but i recall a similar thread around draft time last year.

Agree with everything here except the part about Payton. Payton was still a very good back when the Bears won the Superbowl. He was third in rushing yards and yards from scrimmage that year, and it was the 4th best season of his career in terms of rushing yards.

Payton: You may be right. My memory is that the ran a lot, therefore a lot of yards. He didn't seem as dynamic. But, that was a long time ago.

We can take him out.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

According to JSonline, Ike prolly coming back as chance to be #1 corner.

I pray that he and beckum return. I'd settle for one of two.

Ike has not been very impressive this year at all, nothing like Scott Starks or Jamar Fletcher when they were at UW. Maybe because of injuries or the overall poor play of the defense, who knows. I think it would be wise for him to stay another year.

Lucky for ike, GMs are desperate for CBs. I read on some site (espn, etc.) that he was still viewed as a first rounder.

If Ahmad is a 1st, then Ike is top ten.

He was pretty impressive shutting down Manningham!!

[b bulldog]

Ike runs a 4.28 and has size! NFL GM's will covet him.