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  • Offensive Identity......

    I know everyone likes to blame Mike Sherman for everything from 4th and 26 to the 70's outbreak of genital herpes but one thing is for certain, he coached up one of the most dominating offenses in Packers history.

    Last season aside, the Greenbay Packers have definitly had an offensive identity. That identity was the Mike Sherman assmebled power run game. The staple was Rivera and Tauscher road grating the right side with Wahle pulling and knocking the first trembling defender on his ass. Ahman Green in his prime would hit a crease and take it 60 yards seemingly every game. He did it pretty consistantly to the tune of almost 1,900 yards in one season and more rushing yards than any other back in the NFL from 1999-2004.

    From there, the offense would adjust and take what was given. Walker streched the field and made defenses pay for forgetting to cover the deep ball. Franks, Driver and Ferg excelled in the short to mid range making defenses pay for any lapse in that range. Green and Henderson kept it honest in the flats. Yeah, when the O-line and Ahman Green were DOMINATING the line of scrimmage and run game, it was pretty hard to stop the rest of the seemigly endless weapons. Oh yeah and they had Brett Favre at QB. I forgot to mention that little detail.

    I can just picture Clifton, Wahle, Flanagan, Rivera and Tauscher walking up to the line in perfect sinc like some sort of Western battle was about to begin. But enough of yesterday. Are we going to have an identity under Mike McCarthy today? I want to say yes, but I'm having a hard time finding a position group strong enough to dominate. RB's? WR's? OL? QB? You could make an arguement for QB but what can a QB do with pressure in his face and a non existant running game? Not much is the simple answer. In the words of anti-polarbear, McCarthy can only dream of having and offense as dominate as Mike Shermans. The way I see it, APB is right on. This year is not going to be some highlight reel of Brett Favre throwing 5 TD's per game. It is going to be hard fought 17 - 13 games which will be won and lost with defense, special teams and the turnover battle. The season is going to hinge on the defenses ability to come up with crucial stops and Bretts ability to take every thing that is given to him and nothing more. The Packers can win a lot of games but it's going to be done in a different way. Hopefully us Packer fans can hang our hat on a different identity. Hopefully we can watch a dominating defense led by A.J. Hawk and a special team unit strait from hell. We'll see, but I'll bet dollars to doughnuts it's not going to be the offense winning games in 2006.

    Just curious what people think our offensive identity will be. I'm thinking short/intermediate passes and a smart, efficiant offense that allows the defense to win games and doesn't go out and lose games. I guess that is what I see as the best case sinerio anyway.
    Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

  • #2
    Short quick passes/ground game/move the chains/eat up clock.

    Know that our defense will get the ball back if we don't score.

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    • #3
      Actually it was THE most prolific offense in the history of the team. Too bad he forgot to get a defense.
      "For a fan base that so gratefully took to success, it bothers me how easily some fans are resigned to failure."

      No Mo Moss 9.14.06

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      • #4
        Joe Johnson playing as advertised and choosing Holliday over Hunt might have meant another ring on Bretts HOF finger.
        Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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        • #5
          Or choosing Randy Moss over Holiday
          "For a fan base that so gratefully took to success, it bothers me how easily some fans are resigned to failure."

          No Mo Moss 9.14.06

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          • #6
            LOL...You never know how that might have turned out. I think Favre would be shattering Marinos records and putting everyone else ions behind.
            Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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            • #7
              Well I tend to agree that it will be a lot of short and intermidiate routes. Hopefully more Screen passes to the back. With the athletic guards we have it should be a heck of a weapon. More tight end passes, and a more strategic matchups. Like spreading Lee outside on a corner and letting him go up and get it. I just hope they can revitalize the screen play, that was money a few years ago and just started fading away slowly.

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              • #8
                Re: Offensive Identity......

                Originally posted by NickCollins
                I know everyone likes to blame Mike Sherman for everything from 4th and 26 to the 70's outbreak of genital herpes but one thing is for certain, he coached up one of the most dominating offenses in Packers history.
                Hmmmm.......too bad that offensive juggernaut couldn't manage a 4th and 1 on the goal line on 1/11/04, or we wouldn't have 4th and 26 in our collective psyches!!!!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by chain_gang
                  Well I tend to agree that it will be a lot of short and intermidiate routes. Hopefully more Screen passes to the back. With the athletic guards we have it should be a heck of a weapon. More tight end passes, and a more strategic matchups. Like spreading Lee outside on a corner and letting him go up and get it. I just hope they can revitalize the screen play, that was money a few years ago and just started fading away slowly.
                  I would have to agree to that. Passing game short and intermidiate routes. I see more passing the first half of the season due to OL lack of experience. After 6 to 7 games down the road the O line should begin to jell more and we should see a more balanced attack.

                  The Defense on the other hand, is going to Dominate from Day 1! With our weak schedule this year Our D is going to be really tough to stop in turn we should limit the number of points the other team will have and with a suspect offense we don't need to score alot of points. Look at the Bears team last year, their D was solid and won alot of games for them.

                  Prediction: if the D is as good as advertised we could go 9-7 this year.

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                  • #10
                    In many ways, I think the McCarthy offense will resemble the Holmgren offense. A lot more slant patterns, with a lot less heaving the ball downfield hoping for a big play. However, there will be one key difference. Holmgren always had a pass first mentality, and would use the pass to set up the running game. He modified this somewhat over the years, but not completely. I think McCarthy will place more emphasis on the running game, using play-action to set up the pass. One thing the two offenses have in common is that they both will place more emphasis on utilizing the Tight End downfield. I never understood why Sherman/Rossley didn't take advantage of the team's running prowess by throwing downfield to the Tight Ends more. I think McCarthy will attempt to do that.
                    I can't run no more with that lawless crowd
                    While the killers in high places say their prayers out loud
                    But they've summoned, they've summoned up a thundercloud
                    They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                    • #11
                      This offense is going to have to stay conservative and pray that the defense stays in the top ten all year. The defense will also need to improve on creating turnovers to keep this team above .500

                      This offense alone ain't gonna do it.

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                      • #12
                        We need to reign in the rampant anti-polar bearism on Sherman's offense.

                        Scoring Offense
                        Sherman:
                        2001-2004: 5,6,4,5 = 5.0 league rank

                        Holmgren:
                        1993-1998: 6,4,6,1,2,6 = 4.16

                        Lombardi:
                        1960-1966: 2,1,1,2,5,8,4 = 3.29

                        Dominating, perhaps, but not the best in franchise history.
                        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                        • #13
                          I read the thread title and thought it was going to be another Walker thread.
                          "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by pbmax
                            We need to reign in the rampant anti-polar bearism on Sherman's offense.

                            Scoring Offense
                            Sherman:
                            2001-2004: 5,6,4,5 = 5.0 league rank

                            Holmgren:
                            1993-1998: 6,4,6,1,2,6 = 4.16

                            Lombardi:
                            1960-1966: 2,1,1,2,5,8,4 = 3.29

                            Dominating, perhaps, but not the best in franchise history.
                            Right but in 2002, I believe it was. Shermans offense was the most productive in the history of the franchise. I think that was the right year.
                            "For a fan base that so gratefully took to success, it bothers me how easily some fans are resigned to failure."

                            No Mo Moss 9.14.06

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                            • #15
                              There were like 18 teams in teh league during the lombardi years so showing the % of teams each era was better than would me more accurate than the #. Does tha tmake sense?
                              Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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