Favre Disappoints

[swede]

I blame McCarthy for taking a risky field goal shot with five minutes left and an inch to go for first down. The field goal did nothing but put Dallas back in the driver's seat to eat time and score. A touchdown would have put a lot more psychological pressure on Dallas.

By the time we got to that point in the game it was clear that the offense would be the key to winning--not the D.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Once again, Swede, ditto. This was a learning experience for McCarthy too. I felt his second challenge was a waste. Even though he won the challenge, Dallas still got the ball deep in Packer territory. He could have used that challenge on the play you mentioned. I thought Ryan Grant had that first down and I think a challenge would have been successful. The inch short was bogus.

[The Leaper]

look at his stats, he makes plays.

Who cares?

Is Sims' defense any good? Does he make it better, or improved it in any way since he arrived?

The stats say not really. He's a big hitter. He plays well against the run. He's much more of a liability in man coverage than Hawk is, although he can be OK if he's just sitting in zone covering underneath stuff. Sims hasn't proven to be any more of a playmaker than Hawk either.

Sims gets more tackles than Hawk because he plays on a defense with fewer good players...so he can pile up stats more easily, even though the defense itself shows no improvement because of it. Hawk has to fight to get his tackles from Barnett and Woodson...who are both around the ball a lot in the middle of the field.

[The Leaper]

Once again, Swede, ditto. This was a learning experience for McCarthy too. I felt his second challenge was a waste. Even though he won the challenge, Dallas still got the ball deep in Packer territory. He could have used that challenge on the play you mentioned. I thought Ryan Grant had that first down and I think a challenge would have been successful. The inch short was bogus.

I didn't mind the second challenge. It was a good one to slow the Cowboys momentum on a key drive.

The boneheaded challenge was the first one. There is no point in challenging a 15 yard catch in the first 5 minutes of the game.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Leaper, I respectfully disagree. The first challenge had the potential of turning the reception into a turnover. I don't think McCarthy would have challenged the reception if getting a turnover out of it wasn't part of the possibilities.

[The Leaper]

Leaper, I respectfully disagree. The first challenge had the potential of turning the reception into a turnover. I don't think McCarthy would have challenged the reception if getting a turnover out of it wasn't part of the possibilities.

McCarthy could not challenge change of possession...because of the refs ruling that Owens forward progress was stopped.

The challenge on that first play was simply whether or not it was a catch. Even had we won that challenge, we would not have gotten the ball.

The first challenge was a HUGE error.

[Bossman641]

Leaper, I respectfully disagree. The first challenge had the potential of turning the reception into a turnover. I don't think McCarthy would have challenged the reception if getting a turnover out of it wasn't part of the possibilities.

Wrong

Once forward progress has been called on the field you cannot challenge the turnover. No matter what, there is no way that we could have ended up with the ball in that situation.

The refs were challenging to see if TO even had possession long enough to call it a reception. The best situation we could have gotten there is that they call it no catch and it's second down.

Dumb challenge, I think MM was confused as to what he was challenging. You don't challenge a 15 yard catch that early in the game.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Let's see the post title is "Favre disappoints" and now we are arguing if Sims or Hawk is the better four letter LB.

Favre made piss poor decisions last night. He had underneath guys open, but he chose to go for the big haymaker early. Sure, MM may have put in a deep passing gameplan, but it's up to Favre to make the correct decision on where to throw it. Favre choked.

[mmmdk]

Favre was bad last night but I see fling of hope for a possible second meeting with Dallas. Why? Favre had to watch Rodgers outplay him at Dallas; that's gotta have him fired up, right!?

But let's get that division crown and 1st round bye locked up first. Then we have to beat who ever comes to Lambeau THEN we might meet Dallas again...at Dallas.

[Chester Marcol]

I watch our team methodically pick apart defenses and march the ball down the field. 9 times out of 10, we win those games. Hell, 10 times out of 11. Against most teams, we were able to move the ball down the field and consume clock. Against the VIkings, that meant keeping the ball away from Pederson. Even if we had the deep ball working, how on earth did we think we could win a shootout against the Cowboys without Woodson and Baja in the game. We needed to keep the ball out of Romo's hands. Especially with TO making everyone, including Harris, look like they were pissing in the wind.

It would be like Lombardi shelving the sweep. Do what you do best until the opposing teams prove they can stop you. We have the best YAC and yet we were airing it out. Favre is getting burried, yet we are calling plays that require Favre to hold onto the ball. McCarthy is getting credit for keeping Favre under control. Well, if Favre has a play called to go deep, do you really think he wants to check out of that play? It's on McCarthy to see we need to get the ball out quicker and take our shots later. Kind of like what's worked for us all season.

I never felt this game would decide who goes to the Super Bowl. We can win anywhere. It most likely has killed any MVP talk for Favre and will put a ding in McCarthy's chance at coach of the year. Not that either of those matter as much as learning from this debacle and coming back stronger. But for now, this loss is on McCarthy for not letting the team do what they do best until it was to late.