Difference Makers In This Game

[Fosco33]

The first challenge was in the first half. We lost a timeout. That was the only lost challenge. You get two of them. The first challenge had no bearing on whether or not he could challenge the spot in the second half.

We had two challenges used by that point (second overturned TO's catch). The point was - M3's first challenge was retarded.

Rules state you only get 2 challenges per game - so it did impact his ability to challenge this play.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The first challenge was in the first half. We lost a timeout. That was the only lost challenge. You get two of them. The first challenge had no bearing on whether or not he could challenge the spot in the second half.

We had two challenges used by that point (second overturned TO's catch). The point was - M3's first challenge was retarded.

Rules state you only get 2 challenges per game - so it did impact his ability to challenge this play.

From my understanding: you get two unsuccessful challenges. If you win a challenge, you don't use it up.

I don't think it was that bad. I don't think it was that obvious he caught the ball and also I don't think it was a bad thing to show the refs how bad they screwed up. It had zero bearing on the game.

[Fosco33]

The first challenge was in the first half. We lost a timeout. That was the only lost challenge. You get two of them. The first challenge had no bearing on whether or not he could challenge the spot in the second half.

We had two challenges used by that point (second overturned TO's catch). The point was - M3's first challenge was retarded.

Rules state you only get 2 challenges per game - so it did impact his ability to challenge this play.

From my understanding: you get two unsuccessful challenges. If you win a challenge, you don't use it up.

I don't think it was that bad. I don't think it was that obvious he caught the ball and also I don't think it was a bad thing to show the refs how bad they screwed up. It had zero bearing on the game.

The non-fumble cost the Packers 3 points and a chance at field position. When the ref actually indicated Packers ball - and yet again - they converged and ruled forward progress the Packers should've accepted a shitty call and not made it worse (it was clearly a catch - which they challenged). I don't think you get more challenges if you get the overturn.

Challenge Rules:

For the first 28 minutes of each half, coaches must challenge an official's call to have it reviewed.
Coaches are allowed two challenges per game. If a call is not overturned, the challenging team loses a timeout.

[HarveyWallbangers]

You are correct that we were out of challenges at that point. I thought it was that you'd get it back if you were correct--not that you'd get a third challenge if the first two challenges were successful.

Prior to the 2004 NFL season, the instant replay rule was slightly changed to allow a third challenge if both of the original two challenges were successful.

Personally, I didn't think the spot later in the game was that bad, so again I don't think it had any bearing on the game. When watching the play originally, I thought there was a chance the refs--especially knowing the screwed the play--would deem Harris got the ball before Owens had the catch. Coaches don't win every challenge. As far as not being a big play, Dallas got a first down. If it's overturned, they have a 3rd and 9. It's not like they wouldn't have gained from an overturn. It may have been the wrong move, but I don't think it was so bad that it warrants too much consternation. If he had done it in the second half, when timeouts are more important, then I would have had a problem with it.

[The Leaper]

Coaches don't win every challenge. As far as not being a big play, Dallas got a first down. If it's overturned, they have a 3rd and 9. It's not like they wouldn't have gained from an overturn.

No, but you simply do not waste a challenge on that kind of play in the first half on a play that does not involve scoring or change of possession. If he could've challenged whether or not it was a turnover, I'm fine with the challenge. However, challenging a 15 yard catch on the first drive of the game for the Cowboys is ludicrous. You only get 2 challenges...you can't waste them on stupid crap like that early, because you don't know if you'll need them later. Even if the Grant spot would not have been overturned, it would have been nice to have the challenge to force the refs to look at it again.

[Fosco33]

Coaches don't win every challenge. As far as not being a big play, Dallas got a first down. If it's overturned, they have a 3rd and 9. It's not like they wouldn't have gained from an overturn.

No, but you simply do not waste a challenge on that kind of play in the first half on a play that does not involve scoring or change of possession. If he could've challenged whether or not it was a turnover, I'm fine with the challenge. However, challenging a 15 yard catch on the first drive of the game for the Cowboys is ludicrous. You only get 2 challenges...you can't waste them on stupid crap like that early, because you don't know if you'll need them later. Even if the Grant spot would not have been overturned, it would have been nice to have the challenge to force the refs to look at it again.

Exactly