Justin Harrell-good bad indifferent?

[Scott Campbell]

Am I saying 1st round picks should be good enough to contribute early ?
Hell Yes

Steve Young stunk as a rook. So did lots of players in the HOF.

Jamal Reynolds did too

Exactly. And you weren't sure on either of them until a couple of years in.

[StPaulPackFan]

I think last night exemplified how unspectacular our D-line is at getting to the QB. Sure, the D-line had 30+ sacks going into last night's game but IMO, many if not most of those sacks were the result of good secondary coverage. Last night the secondary was breaking down in coverage and Romo was consistently able to get the ball away before the pressure got to him. Other than a few pressures by Kampman the D-line was pretty much nuetralized all night.

I think Kampman has turned into a fine player but I wouldn't consider him dominant. What is special about him is his relentless effort. Because of this he will make plays from the backside that most D-ends wouldn't. KGB can be effective as a speed rusher. But again, he is not dominant. Our interior D-line has shown very little ability to bring quick pressure. Most of Corey Williams' sacks have come late in plays after the play has broken down. I was hoping Jenkins would be the pass rusher that would help solidify this defense. Unfortunately, that has not happened.

Bottom line, GB needs Woodson back. He helps lock down the coverage. When he and Harris are playing well it gives our D-line time to get to the QB.

[HarveyWallbangers]

We have a good DL. Coverage and pass rush go hand in hand. Dallas has a good, big OL. Give them credit. It hurts not to have perhaps your best pass rusher and your best coverage guy--not to mention a guy who might be your best all around DT (Williams is a pass rusher, Pickett is a run stuffer, both likely played more than they are used to).

[MJZiggy]

. Last night the secondary was breaking down in coverage and Romo was consistently able to get the ball away before the pressure got to him. Other than a few pressures by Kampman the D-line was pretty much nuetralized all night.

Are you kidding me? Romo had time for tea and crumpets back in the pocket. He was in no hurry whatsoever to get the ball out. The secondary broke down, but even when they held or he had to wait for his receiver to run 40 yards downfield, he had no problem doing it...I guess this is why I won't be complaining about KGB's salary in relation to the number of snaps he plays.

[StPaulPackFan]

We have a good DL. Coverage and pass rush go hand in hand. Dallas has a good, big OL. Give them credit. It hurts not to have perhaps your best pass rusher and your best coverage guy--not to mention a guy who might be your best all around DT (Williams is a pass rusher, Pickett is a run stuffer, both likely played more than they are used to).

I agree, right now they are GOOD, but not great. They are obviously better when they have the full rotation of healthy players. But this is mostly a function of being less fatigued in the latter stages of the game rather than having dominant players. As far as Dallas' O-line, you're right they do deserve a lot of credit for stifling the pass rush. However, I was pleasantly surprised at how GB played the run. I was expecting Barber to have a big game...

I still go back to Jenkins. In the preseason he was a beast. He looked primed to be a disruptive force on the D-line this year. If that had happened this D-line could've been dominant. As it stands right now he is just "a guy" on a good defense.

I think going into this year many felt like I did that GB could have a really special defense. They have fallen short of really special but they are still pretty good. I look forward to getting back Jolly, Woodson, KGB and Rouse. Hopefully they can get back on the winning track against Oakland.

[b bulldog]

My bet is the Harrell pick will never justify a first rounder.

[Bretsky]

Have any of our DL developed in less than two or three years?

Good point. KGB was on the practice squad the first year. Kampman did very little. Williams did nothing. Jenkins and Cole bounced around the league. Jolly, Hunter, and Montgomery barely played. Maybe Pickett, but that was on another team.

Pickett was the only first round draft pick and played decent right off the bat
He was inconsistent though; but positively contributed

KGB, Kampman, Jolly and Montgomery all late round picks
Williams a 4th if I recall correctly
Cole and Jenkins and Hunter undrated projects

Am I saying 1st round picks should be good enough to contribute early ?
Hell Yes

How many of those guys tore their bicep and couldn't practice since September of the year prior? I suspsect none of us watched closely enough to determine how well Harrell played. Considering Dallas didn't run the ball that well, maybe he did his job when he was in there. Maybe not.

To be honest I rarely noticed he was on the field.

When I took a five minute drive from the bar to home Larry McCarrein sarcastically commented that he noticed Harrell for a play. One of those meaning stingers announcers really should try to avoid.

I'm done with the bicep apologist stuff; TT drafted this guy and indicated he felt he would contribute to this year's squad. The Packer staff knew of the injury fully; they still picked him and expected him to help. Let's at least admit this.

[b bulldog]

Amen B!

[StPaulPackFan]

. Last night the secondary was breaking down in coverage and Romo was consistently able to get the ball away before the pressure got to him. Other than a few pressures by Kampman the D-line was pretty much nuetralized all night.

Are you kidding me? Romo had time for tea and crumpets back in the pocket. He was in no hurry whatsoever to get the ball out. The secondary broke down, but even when they held or he had to wait for his receiver to run 40 yards downfield, he had no problem doing it...I guess this is why I won't be complaining about KGB's salary in relation to the number of snaps he plays.

That is actually the point that I had originally made. IMO, our D-line has been consistently slow getting to the QB, with the occasional exception of Kampman & KGB. Much of the D-line's pressure comes after the receiver's have been taken out of the play and the QB has run out of options.

[b bulldog]

wOULDN'T A CERTAIN s FROM uf DRAFTED AFTER hARRELL look better in the frren and gold than Harrell does? My typing

[HarveyWallbangers]

You're talking about Reggie Nelson. Doom and gloom from bulldog after the second loss of the season. How many rookie DL are kicking ass? Why is so hard to have the same patience with Harrell as you do with Mario? Mario was the #1 pick and didn't have an injury, but we are supposed to give Mario all kinds of time to develop, but we write Harrell off his rookie year?

[KYPack]

Yeah, I think you are wrong Dog.

Harrell always shows some flashes in his play. He's got strong hips and keeps his man at bay most of the time. I definitely think this kid will be an effective NFL player.

Worth a number 1?

Shudda drafted this other guy first?

Those are separate arguments. Harrell will play for us, at least in a roatation. Who knows, with a few seasons under his belt, he may be a star.

Those that say he's a bust ain't watch' him.

[Bretsky]

You're talking about Reggie Nelson. Doom and gloom from bulldog after the second loss of the season. How many rookie DL are kicking ass? Why is so hard to have the same patience with Harrell as you do with Mario? Mario was the #1 pick and didn't have an injury, but we are supposed to give Mario all kinds of time to develop, but we write Harrell off his rookie year?

I'm consistent

Mario sucks too

[b bulldog]

I've said Mario has been a disappointment, look it up......please. mario for one thing didn't report to camp too fat and he didn't have trouble finishing the basic Dline drills

[b bulldog]

Harv, doom and gloom I thought they would lose by 10 and I thought once Harrell was drafted and reported overweight as a rookie, he was a waste.