Justin Harrell-good bad indifferent?

[KYPack]

Mario Williams got his ass kicked in his rookie year.

Because he was a ROOKIE. He made mistakes and didn't know the NFL game. His second year has been night and day compared to his first.

Harrell made the mistakes you name. He won't make 'em in his second season. Harrell has talent and will justify the pick. I won't play "I told ya so" games, but I bet I could.

[Lurker64]

I can't remember a rookie DT ever really having a big season, and I remember that most first round DTs disappoint early in their careers only to eventually "get it" and become significant contributors. Can anybody name a DT drafted around 16 in the modern era that really made a notable contribution in his rookie season?

Harrell was a "two or three years from now" pick, not a "right now pick" regardless of what Thompson says. If you're drafting a DT thinking that he'll make significant impact right away, you're probably expecting incredibly awful defensive line play otherwise.

[KYPack]

I can't remember a rookie DT ever really having a big season, and I remember that most first round DTs disappoint early in their careers only to eventually "get it" and become significant contributors. Can anybody name a DT drafted around 16 in the modern era that really made a notable contribution in his rookie season?

Harrell was a "two or three years from now" pick, not a "right now pick" regardless of what Thompson says. If you're drafting a DT thinking that he'll make significant impact right away, you're probably expecting incredibly awful defensive line play otherwise.

Jerome Brown and Warren Sapp. Can't say I know their draft postitions, tho, Joe.

Shaun Rogers wasn't bad his first year for the Lions, he blew my mind in a Pre game his rookie year. Lot of poise for a kid. But generally yer right, it's a tough go for most rooks down in the "maw".

[HarveyWallbangers]

Harrell impresses

Nunn said a bright spot for the line was the play of first-round draft pick Justin Harrell, who was active for the first time since Oct. 14 and played close to 20 snaps, his most extended action in three games this season.

“He didn’t get washed around in there,” Nunn said. “A couple times, held double teams and then come off and separate and make plays, made a tackle and assist, and was running to the ball. He’s got something to build on, and we’re going to. He’s going to get more reps.”

[Carolina_Packer]

I can't remember a rookie DT ever really having a big season, and I remember that most first round DTs disappoint early in their careers only to eventually "get it" and become significant contributors. Can anybody name a DT drafted around 16 in the modern era that really made a notable contribution in his rookie season?

Harrell was a "two or three years from now" pick, not a "right now pick" regardless of what Thompson says. If you're drafting a DT thinking that he'll make significant impact right away, you're probably expecting incredibly awful defensive line play otherwise.

Jerome Brown and Warren Sapp. Can't say I know their draft postitions, tho, Joe.

Shaun Rogers wasn't bad his first year for the Lions, he blew my mind in a Pre game his rookie year. Lot of poise for a kid. But generally yer right, it's a tough go for most rooks down in the "maw".

I'm not ranking this kid with your names, just noting that someone that wasn't even drafted is starting for the Colts at DT (for Booger McFarland) and is playing well. http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=bio&player_id=471 I would guess this is even more unusual than drafting a guy and expecting something in his first year. Penn St. isn't a slouch, but where did this kid come from to not just be a placeholder, but to be productive?

[Bretsky]

I can't remember a rookie DT ever really having a big season, and I remember that most first round DTs disappoint early in their careers only to eventually "get it" and become significant contributors. Can anybody name a DT drafted around 16 in the modern era that really made a notable contribution in his rookie season?

Harrell was a "two or three years from now" pick, not a "right now pick" regardless of what Thompson says. If you're drafting a DT thinking that he'll make significant impact right away, you're probably expecting incredibly awful defensive line play otherwise.

Not sure how you define big season, but as rookies off top of head I can think of Marcus Stroud, John Henderson, and Haynesworth looking solid.

Nobody is asking Harrell to make a "significant" impact. But any impace would be pretty dam cool.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Haynesworth was a disappointment until about his 4th year in the league in 2005. He was good in his 4th and 5th (when he wasn't suspended) in 2005-2006. He's taken it to another level this year. A lot of people thought he was a bust--even in his 3rd year.

Henderson was a beast from the start. Stroud was solid. Of course, they were drafted even higher than Harrell--and they weren't coming off an injury. Why is it so hard to give the rookie a chance? A majority of the rookies aren't even starting, and not many from last year have come close to becoming stars yet.

I think this might be one of those that people will look foolish now in 3 years for being so hard on him. (Like those that were dogging Jennings this preseason.) I like big, athletic DTs that have high character. That's the book on Harrell (team captain, got Reggie's #92, played with the torn biceps vs. Florida) and I have a feeling he's the type that will make himself into a good player.

[esoxx]

I can't remember a rookie DT ever really having a big season, and I remember that most first round DTs disappoint early in their careers only to eventually "get it" and become significant contributors. Can anybody name a DT drafted around 16 in the modern era that really made a notable contribution in his rookie season?

Tommie Harris - drafted 14th in 1st round.

[Partial]

Haynesworth was a disappointment until about his 4th year in the league in 2005. He was good in his 4th and 5th (when he wasn't suspended) in 2005-2006. He's taken it to another level this year. A lot of people thought he was a bust--even in his 3rd year.

Henderson was a beast from the start. Stroud was solid. Of course, they were drafted even higher than Harrell--and they weren't coming off an injury. Why is it so hard to give the rookie a chance? A majority of the rookies aren't even starting, and not many from last year have come close to becoming stars yet.

I think this might be one of those that people will look foolish now in 3 years for being so hard on him. (Like those that were dogging Jennings this preseason.) I like big, athletic DTs that have high character. That's the book on Harrell (team captain, got Reggie's #92, played with the torn biceps vs. Florida) and I have a feeling he's the type that will make himself into a good player.

Glad you're always around to be the voice of reason. When looking at Henderson, keep in mind he had a pro-bowler next to give him single teams. Also, he was a giant of a man. Much taller and longer than Harrell.

Haynesworth was labeled as a bust in the same phrase as Ryan Sims until last year imo. Now he is getting MVP consideration. Sometimes it just takes guys awhile to get it together.

[RashanGary]

(Like those that were dogging Jennings this preseason.)

bulldog was the only one I remember really dogging Jennings. He threw out the "china doll" term every 3 posts for about a month. Every time someone talked about an injury, he threw in the "Jennings is a china doll" even when it had nothing to do with Jennings. Maybe his constant pounding of that point made it seem as if there was a big anti-Jennings crowd, but I didn't think that was the case at all.

There were a bunch of people who were worried because Jennings was knicked up for msot of last year and then all of TC. I was in that group that worried we would not have Jennings (our biggest offensive playmaker), for the beginning of the season. Are you comparing the mass concern of Jennings injuries to the mass concern that Harrell sucks. I really hope not because it's a very different concern and one that was backed by a growing pattern of injuries. This is backed by Harrell not being a stud as a rookie. It's very shallow (when looked at in the context of recent history) and very different. Also, the Jennings thing was brought up a couple times as a slight concern and this is brought up every week as a big concern and a bust before anything is even shown. The situations are very different to me, and since i was one of teh guys who worried that we weren't going to have Jennings 100%, I take offense you you comparting the stupid qualities of these people to the stupid qualities of the Jennings "doggers" when in fact most Jennings doggers were not doggers at all.

[Bretsky]

(Like those that were dogging Jennings this preseason.)

bulldog was the only one I remember really dogging Jennings. He threw out the "china doll" term every 3 posts for about a month. Every time someone talked about an injury, he threw in the "Jennings is a china doll" even when it had nothing to do with Jennings. Maybe his constant pounding of that point made it seem as if there was a big anti-Jennings crowd, but I didn't think that was the case at all.

There were a bunch of people who were worried because Jennings was knicked up for msot of last year and then all of TC. I was in that group that worried we would not have Jennings (our biggest offensive playmaker), for the beginning of the season. Are you comparing the mass concern of Jennings injuries to the mass concern that Harrell sucks. I really hope not because it's a very different concern and one that was backed by a growing pattern of injuries. This is backed by Harrell not being a stud as a rookie. It's very shallow (when looked at in the context of recent history) and very different. Also, the Jennings thing was brought up a couple times as a slight concern and this is brought up every week as a big concern and a bust before anything is even shown. The situations are very different to me, and since i was one of teh guys who worried that we weren't going to have Jennings 100%, I take offense you you comparting the stupid qualities of these people to the stupid qualities of the Jennings "doggers" when in fact most Jennings doggers were not doggers at all.

good rant

[oregonpackfan]

Justin Harrell is a bust--plain and simple. Despite all the smokescreens the Harell apologists claim, he is a #1 draft choice failure and will continue to be through his sophomore season.

Yes, feel free to quote me. By the end of training camp for his third season, Justin Harrell will be cut.

[Lurker64]

Justin Harrell is a bust--plain and simple. Despite all the smokescreens the Harell apologists claim, he is a #1 draft choice failure and will continue to be through his sophomore season.

Yes, feel free to quote me. By the end of training camp for his third season, Justin Harrell will be cut.

I'm impressed that you can see the future. Have any stock tips?

[RashanGary]

Justin Harrell is a bust--plain and simple. Despite all the smokescreens the Harell apologists claim, he is a #1 draft choice failure and will continue to be through his sophomore season.

Yes, feel free to quote me. By the end of training camp for his third season, Justin Harrell will be cut.

Harrell impresses

Nunn said a bright spot for the line was the play of first-round draft pick Justin Harrell, who was active for the first time since Oct. 14 and played close to 20 snaps, his most extended action in three games this season.

“He didn’t get washed around in there,” Nunn said. “A couple times, held double teams and then come off and separate and make plays, made a tackle and assist, and was running to the ball. He’s got something to build on, and we’re going to. He’s going to get more reps.”

Everyone here said he held his own after the game as far as not getting pushed around. Corey Williams was acctually shoved around at will for the whole game. He played a good game, even better in the run aspect than a guy everyone is in love with here. Not only did he play well, but he's only a rookie. Then Robert Nunn comes out and says the same thing we all saw, the guy held his own. He did his job. I just don't see why you make this claim, esspecially now.

DLineman who depend on that quick burst to the QB seem to do well early. Burst is a young mans trait. Lineman that depend on stregth tend to get better with time. Harrell is one of those guys that depends on stregth. Take away his first two preseason games and he's acctually played solid with every chance he's gotten (and that's understandable considering his conditioning). There is a lot of reason to believe he'll grow on his already decent performances. There is very little reason to think he'll get worse or stay the same considering his age and experience.

Him not getting PT over Pickett, Jolly, Williams and Cole in their primes is not really evidence that he sucks. It's evidence that we had some good players developed in front of him. I really don't understand the rush to judgment. Why not just let it develop. Harrell was a dominate college player. Give him a chance to adjust to the NFL and grow into his rare big body.

[cheesner]

Justin Harrell is a bust--plain and simple. Despite all the smokescreens the Harell apologists claim, he is a #1 draft choice failure and will continue to be through his sophomore season.

Yes, feel free to quote me. By the end of training camp for his third season, Justin Harrell will be cut.

Feel free to quote you? Okay. I won't limit myself to your comments above. Here is a nice prophetic quote:

. . . .

When the Packers let go of Antonio Chatman and Andrae Thurman they said they wanted to go with the "Bigger and stronger" prototype of receivers who had the build of a Terrell Owens.

Immediately, I thought to myself, "Well that shoots down the possiblity of the Packers choosing WR Mike Hass of Oregon State. He is only 6' 1" tall, and 208 lbs."

For his many receiving accomplishments this past year, Hass won the Biletnikoff Award as the best receiver in college football.

Then what do the Packers do instead of drafting Hass and a "Bigger and stronger" WR? They draft 5'11" Greg Jennings out of Western Michegan in the third round and 6'0" Cory Rodgers from TCU in the fourth round! They could have had Hass.

The New Orleans Saints took him in the 6th round.

Despite his fine hands, his record achievements, the Packers ignorned Hass because his best 40 yard recorded speed is 4.55 seconds. Hass did record the fifth fastest time in the 20 yard shuffle--which measures explosiveness off the snap and lateral movement.

A lot of pro teams several years from now(including the Packers) are going to be scratching their heads saying, "Why didn't we take this guy when we had the chance?"

Oregonpackfan

Hass was cut. Now with the bears. Career stats?

Mike Hass: 0 rec 0 yds 0 tds
Jennnings : 89 rec 1,344 yds 13 tds

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=909&highlight=jennings]