BCS

[The Leaper]

Yes... because none of those kids wanted to win a national championship and didn't prepare before the game.

I'm not suggesting they did not want to win.

I'm saying that Florida and Boise State had more motivation. They had more detractors. They had more locker room material to post on the board.

In a game where both teams haven't played in over a month, motivation plays a huge factor. Better teams can lose.

If you think Boise State was really a more complete team top to bottom than Oklahoma last year, you are nuts. Oklahoma may have wanted to win...Boise State wanted to MORE. That is my point. Boise State was better THAT DAY. That hardly means they were a better team.

As for Florida-Ohio State...I'm not sure which team was better top to bottom. Both were excellent. Florida was better that day...probably because of their motivation after being written off for the better part of a month and a half really stuck in their craw. They wanted it more. That was evident.

[Partial]

I don't think they were a more complete team. I think they were a better team, though. You play to win the game. And that they did. Thus, they are the better team. You can say they got lucky or had more motivation or whatever but all this is in going in one ear and out the other.

The better team is the team that won. Only sore losers say otherwise.

[The Leaper]

I don't think they were a more complete team. I think they were a better team, though. You play to win the game. And that they did. Thus, they are the better team.

So Michigan isn't a better team than App State?

You are nuts. The better team does not always win...especially in a one-and-done format.

I'm not a Buckeye fan, BTW...even though I live in Columbus. I am a Badger fan...although I follow the NFL far more than the NCAA.

So don't assume that I am some kind of sore loser.

[Partial]

Scoreboard. This year, yes. Their is no evidence to the contrary. The only valid evidence is the scoreboard.

[The Leaper]

Scoreboard.

WTF is that supposed to mean?

[The Leaper]

The only valid evidence is the scoreboard.

So then you admit the BCS is horseshit. Kansas was beat by Missouri, but is in the BCS when Missouri is not.

[Partial]

Scoreboard.

WTF is that supposed to mean?

AS 34, Mich 32

34 > 32

(34 -32) > 0 thus 34 is greater than 32

[Partial]

The only valid evidence is the scoreboard.

So then you admit the BCS is horseshit. Kansas was beat by Missouri, but is in the BCS when Missouri is not.

Of course the BCS is bullshit. Hawaii should be in the championship game.

[Zool]

The Fighting Rainbows FTW.

[The Leaper]

Of course the BCS is bullshit. Hawaii should be in the championship game.

Well, that pretty much proves your level of knowledge pertaining to football. Thank God the BCS didn't submit us to that nightmare...having Hawaii in the title game. Do I think they derserve a shot in a playoff? Of course. Do they belong in a one-and-done title game? No. They haven't beat one team of consequence.

A playoff is the only fair way to decide anything. My point is that until that happens, nothing means anything in the NCAA. The BCS system is nothing but a way for rich conferences to stay that way.

[highlander]

Isnt it funny how no debates who the super bowl champ is.. Even when a wild card team wins it all.

Or

who the National champions of the NCAA college hoops , even if NC State wins it.

Or

MLB even when Florida wins it

OR oh you get the picture

[3irty1]

Boise State still supposedly had no chance. Ohio and Michigan were also considered the best teams in the country and Florida didn't belong in the national championship. Oh well they were going to get obliterated by OSU anyways.

So you are missing my point? You are basically agreeing with me.

The reason why Boise State and Florida won last year was because they had more to play for...more motivation. Ohio State believed they had the title won before the game was played...and Oklahoma could care less playing a non-title game against some team who plays on a blue carpet. That is my point. Motivation is often a deciding factor when you have weeks between games.

Teams without much to play for always stand to lose. That is precisely why Georgia could be beaten by Hawaii...even if Georgia is the far better team. The current system guarantees a lot of stupid matchups though. Georgia-USC would be a far better game. Do I care if Georgia is better than Hawaii? No. So I won't be watching.

Yes I agree that upsets sometimes happen. I disagree that there is a lack of motivation for players and coaches who are unhappy with the game that they won. Especially this year. Where 0all these teams had control of their own fate except Hawaii. Had any of the top 10 won another game they'd be in the championship. That rarely happens in college football.

However these kids don't come out flat because of motivation. For many of them its their last game ever. Many of them its the biggest game they will ever play in. They are on national TV. Its an important game.

If the coaches are sore and unmotivated then they are terrible coaches. Their job is to win money. If they don't do that then they usually lose their job.

[3irty1]

Well its a stretch to say thats not reason enough to play. Especially for the coaches who's only real job are to win the games that pay his salary... But even if I bought what you are selling that's not a flaw in the system. A nationally televised game, a trophy, and the money SHOULD be reason enough to play. If a coach doesn't like the game he got put in the last thing he should do is prove the BCS right by losing it.

The system is screwed because teams playing for a title have 40-60 days off between games...STUPID. There is no momentum or consistency that can be maintained in that kind of program. It can't even be remotely considered an accurate test of who is the better team. Would you like the Super Bowl to be played in early March? How about a World Series wrapping up around Christmas?

It makes no sense. Arguing otherwise makes you look like a fool.

Hard not to agree with this. I agree for a little extra time off to be at full strength after a long season but the wait is too long I agree.

[3irty1]

Isnt it funny how no debates who the super bowl champ is.. Even when a wild card team wins it all.

Or

who the National champions of the NCAA college hoops , even if NC State wins it.

Or

MLB even when Florida wins it

OR oh you get the picture

People don't dispute who the super bowl champion is but they dispute who the best team was. Same thing in college. The national champion is clear... its the winner of the national championship.

[Partial]

Of course the BCS is bullshit. Hawaii should be in the championship game.

Well, that pretty much proves your level of knowledge pertaining to football. Thank God the BCS didn't submit us to that nightmare...having Hawaii in the title game. Do I think they derserve a shot in a playoff? Of course. Do they belong in a one-and-done title game? No. They haven't beat one team of consequence.

A playoff is the only fair way to decide anything. My point is that until that happens, nothing means anything in the NCAA. The BCS system is nothing but a way for rich conferences to stay that way.

Maybe it wouldn't be the best game to watch, but how do you know they wouldn't win? I seem to recall a very shitty (worst in the league) Colts team that knocked off the Packers back in the glory days. What about the USA hockey team beating Russia in the semi-finals of the 1980 olympics?

How can you blame them for not beating a team of consequence when other teams are too scared to play them?!? Do you think LSU is in any rush to schedule Hawaii. Hell no. They drop that game and they lose all their recruits for that year.

I will never, ever, ever understand how a team that has beaten anyone who they have played is not in the title game. LSU or OSU may be better, deeper teams, but we will never know until they play. Terrible, terrible system.

The 2005 Steelers weren't the most talented team imo, but they came in and won the super bowl despite being a 6 seed because they were a good team that won the games they needed to. Hawaii has done the same thing.

How can you fault a team for beating anyone who has played them?