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  • #91
    Polls and Bowls can be wed by a playoff system that does not upset the current system, but refines it. The writer of this article has the good sense to realize that you are not going to scrap the existing format, but that reforms could work. It appears in About.com's football section and is from 2002, so it can't account for some of the more recent changes to the BCS, none of which had anything to do with a playoff, so this article is still very valid.

    Part 1 - BCS Inadequate
    By Alex Giles
    Date: November 19, 2002

    Every year about this time in College Football, the BCS nay-sayers attempt to articulate all of the reasons why the Bowl Championship Series (BCS), a system instituted prior to the 1998 season, is inadequate, unfair, or just plain ridiculous.

    Heading into November, the BCS rankings featured eight undefeated teams that were positioning themselves for an appearance in the National Championship game. At that time, many observers felt this would surely be the season where public outrage would finally bring an end to the BCS...at least in its current format. Now, three weeks later, after several truly unexpected upsets, all appears to be fine again in the world of the BCS...right? We have only two undefeated teams, Miami and Ohio State, and they are ranked #1 and #2, respectively, in the most recent BCS ranking. Presumably, this sets the stage for a true National Championship game between the top two teams in the country, exactly what the BCS is expected to produce. Or does it?

    Some will argue that Ohio State clearly isn't one of the top two teams in the country, despite its #2 ranking in the BCS - only .01 points behind first-place Miami. Some will even go so far as to say that Ohio State may not even be the best team in its own conference, siding with 11-1 Iowa instead. Even if you do believe that Miami and Ohio State are truly the two best teams in the country, in order for the BCS to escape serious scrutiny this season Miami and Ohio State will have to win the remainder of their games - Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Virginia Tech for Miami, and Michigan for Ohio State.

    However, what happens if either Miami or Ohio State lose one of those games? Worse yet, what happens if both Miami and Ohio State suffer a loss before the end of the season? The simple answer is that College Football and the BCS would be right back where they were three weeks ago...prime for revamping...

    Part 2 - Revamping the BCS

    Naturally, when people talk about revamping the BCS, the leading alternative is some sort of playoff format since College Football is the only major sport that does not employ a bracket type finish to its season. While there have been several proposals that would accomplish such a Playoff format, all appear to completely discard the current BCS system. In doing so, proponents of these playoff alternatives lack the diplomacy necessary to sell the idea as they fail to factor in the legacy and importance of the major bowls, which ultimately ends up being the death nail of any such proposal. Therefore, any modification to the BCS to incorporate a playoff system has be exactly that - a modification, and not an outright dismantling of the current system.

    For all of the real and/or perceived deficiencies of the BCS, it really isn't a bad system. For the most part, the BCS does an exceptional job in utilizing the AP and Coaches polls, the computer polls, a team's strength of schedule, deductions for quality wins, and so on, to identify the best 15 teams in the country. In fact, I am not aware of any BCS-bashers that would honestly disagree with this conclusion...most likely because they have never been asked to comment on that particular issue. When you consider the effectiveness of the BCS, however, no one currently judges the BCS on its ability to identify the top 15 teams, rather the BCS is judged on its ability to identify the top 2 teams at season's end. Unfortunately, that's where the BCS' problems lie.

    The 2000 and 2001 seasons are prime examples. In 2000, the BCS ranked Oklahoma #1 and Florida State #2 at season's end, despite the fact that Miami was ranked #2 in both the AP and the Coaches poll and had beaten the Seminoles during the regular season. Likewise, in 2001, the BCS ranked Miami #1 and Nebraska #2 at season's end, despite the fact that Oregon was ranked #2 in both polls. This year, once again, it is conceivable that College Football and the BCS will face the possibility that there is no clear-cut, undefeated #1 and #2 team at the end of the season, and will be forced to select among a handful of teams with one loss that can all make convincing arguments why they should be deemed one of the top two teams in the country and be invited to play in the National Championship game...

    Part 3 - The Solution

    In order to correct this possible nightmare situation that will continue to exist year after year, College Football should adopt a Playoff format that retains the strengths of the current BCS system. Specifically, the proposed new BCS/Playoff format should implement the following components:

    1) The current BCS system for the most part would remain in place and would be used to rank the top 15 teams each week, starting with the third week in October;

    2) All teams would play no more than 12 games during the regular season (this would include any conference championship games);

    3) At season's end, the top 8 teams of the BCS would be playoff eligible and have a shot at advancing to the National Championship game, rather than merely the top 2 teams;

    4) The 8 BCS/Playoff eligible teams would not necessarily include all of the conference champions from the 6 current BCS sanctioned conferences (ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 10, and SEC), rather they would be comprised solely of the top 8 teams from the season ending BCS ranking regardless of conference;

    5) There would no longer be a limitation that only 2 teams per conference could be BCS/Playoff eligible;

    6) The new BCS/Playoff format would continue to feature the current BCS bowls - the Fiesta Bowl, the Sugar Bowl, the Orange Bowl, and the Rose Bowl, thus preserving the major Bowl tradition;

    7) Each year, the priority of the four BCS Bowls would rotate. Currently, the National Championship game rotates among the four Bowls so that once every four years each Bowl hosts the National Championship game. That will continue, but the remaining three Bowls will be ranked 2 through 4 each year. For example, this year the Fiesta Bowl is the National Championship game, the Sugar Bowl would be ranked #2, the Orange Bowl #3, and the Rose Bowl #4. Next year, the Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl, and Rose Bowl would each move up one notch and the Sugar Bowl would host the National Championship game. The Fiesta Bowl, since it hosted the Championship game this year, would rotate to the lowest ranked of the four Bowls in year 2;

    8) The playoffs would begin at the end of the second full week in December, matching #1 vs. #8, #4 vs. #5, #2 vs. #7, and #3 vs. #6 in the Quarterfinals;

    9) The winners of the four Quarterfinal match-ups would advance to the Semifinals to be played the following weekend. The winner of #1 vs. #8 would meet the winner of #4 vs. #5, and the winner of #2 vs. #7 would meet the winner of #3 vs. #6;

    10) The losing teams from the four Quarterfinal match-ups would meet in the 3rd and 4th ranked Bowls for that year. Using the example articulated above in Paragraph 7, the losing teams from the Quarterfinals would play in the Orange Bowl and the Rose Bowl. In order to determine which teams would play in the Orange Bowl as opposed to the Rose Bowl, the two teams with the better BCS season ending ranking would play in the Orange Bowl whereas the other two teams who have the lesser BCS rankings would play in the Rose Bowl. Consequently, the regional tie-in requirement for BCS teams not in the National Championship game would no longer exist;

    11) The winners of the Semifinals would advance to the National Championship game in the Fiesta Bowl. The losing teams from the Semifinals would match-up against each other in the Sugar Bowl;

    12) All BCS/Playoff Bowl games would be played during the first week of January, much like the current format;

    13) The winner of the BCS/Playoff National Championship game would be deemed the National Champion regardless of its season ending BCS ranking...

    Part 4 - Conclusion

    In order to demonstrate how the new BCS/Playoff system would work, if the 2002 season were to end today, the Quarterfinal match-ups would be as follows: #1 Miami vs. #8 Southern Cal, #4 Oklahoma vs. #5 Georgia, #2 Ohio State vs. #7 Iowa, and #3 Washington State vs. #6 Notre Dame. For the sake of argument, let's say that Miami, Oklahoma, Ohio State, and Washington State win their Quarterfinal games. Miami would then play Oklahoma and Ohio State would play Washington State in the Semifinals. Southern Cal, as the #8 seed, and Iowa, as the #7 seed, would play in the 4th ranked Bowl this year - the Rose Bowl. Notre Dame, as the #6 seed, and Georgia, as the #5 seed, would play in the 3rd ranked Bowl - the Orange Bowl.

    Continuing on, let's say that Miami and Ohio State win their Semifinal games. Miami and Ohio State would then advance to the National Championship game in the Fiesta Bowl and Oklahoma and Washington State would meet in the Sugar Bowl.

    This BCS/Playoff proposal takes the best from both systems and creates a win-win situation for all involved - College Football, the BCS, the major Bowls, and most importantly, the fans who want an undisputed National Champion. The time has come for this holy union of the BCS and a playoff format.

    Just a word of caution for College Football though, if you wait any longer before conducting the ceremony you may find yourself with the proverbial Shotgun Wedding.

    End of Article

    Why can't someone effectively present these arguments to university presidents and make them see that there could be even more money to be made with BCS playoff games? If all they are worried about is money, why can't someone project what they would make under a playoff system as an argument?

    You hear a lot of people trumpeting a playoff system of some kind or another. Why won't the defenders of the current poll system of determining the top two step up and defend the system publicly?

    Just dealing in present reality, here is an article from ESPN Jan. 2007 quoting the BCS Coordinator and SEC Commisioner Mike Slive, who was open to change after the 2010 deal expires. The best 8 teams could play in the Orange, Sugar, Rose and Fiesta (like they presumably do now), which would get it down to 4 teams and then you could have a Final Four that could be held over a two week period, at one particular site, which could rotate between one of the existing cities like it does now. The final four eliminates the travel between the semi and championship games, because it would be in the same city, just a week apart for obvious reasons. They just need one more game.

    "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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    • #92
      Originally posted by The Leaper
      Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
      16 teams is impractical, that would be four weeks of playoffs.
      HEAVEN FORBID HARLAN!!!!

      What the hell do we do every March in the NCAA? Oh, that's right...a FUCKING THREE WEEK PLAYOFF known as March Madness that is viewed as the NCAA's crowning jewel. Yikes, we are extending it an entire week...and only playing 15 games instead of 63.
      Agreed. They are already doing this in all lower divisions of college football. Apparently, the kids in Div-III--many of whom aren't getting a athletic scholarship--can handle this, but not the Div-I kids. Other sports extend their seasons even more with a playoff system. This would be one extra game for 8 teams, two extra games for 4 teams, three extra games for 2 teams, and four extra games for 2 teams. I think they'd be okay with that. The one extra game for the 8 teams that lose in the first round wouldn't even be an extra game--as those teams would have played in a bowl game anyways.
      "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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      • #93
        They could cut out a pre-season game or two as well if they'd like. They could complete the sweet 16 and the elite 8 in that time, leaving only 4 teams playing extra games.

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        • #94
          The NCAA could care less so long as they keep generating $ and the BCS does just that. Matches big named schools with other big named schools to generate advertising dollars and naming rights dollars.
          Originally posted by 3irty1
          This is museum quality stupidity.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
            Agreed. They are already doing this in all lower divisions of college football.
            That is what really irks me.

            You say it is OK for the dozens of lower schools to play additional weeks in December, where players actually are depending on their education far more because they have little shot at professional football.

            However, the pampered Div I kids can't put up with an extra game or two on their schedule? Is it somehow impossible to revamp the current scheduling process to potentially accomodate a playoff system?

            Anyone who whines and moans along with the reasoning of major college presidents and BCS supporters is buying into a huge load of horse manure.
            My signature has NUDITY in it...whatcha gonna do?

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Zool
              The NCAA could care less so long as they keep generating $ and the BCS does just that. Matches big named schools with other big named schools to generate advertising dollars and naming rights dollars.
              Another myth.

              How much money does the NCAA make on BCS bowls? Not all that much, outside of the TV contract. The bowls are run by business entities with their own CEOs and CFOs...much of the revenue from a bowl goes to the support the business entity running the bowl and the community the bowl is located, not the NCAA or individual colleges. In fact, very few bowl games are close to sellouts and really don't provide much of an environment for the fans who go to them. They are held in sterile NFL stadiums, and don't provide the rich tradition that college football deserves.

              You honestly believe the 5 BCS games would garner a greater windfall for the NCAA and individual colleges than an independent playoff system? You are insane. A 16 team playoff would generate tremendous TV ratings and revenue...no different from March Madness. Again...seeing USC play Michigan in the Big House in a playoff game? The ratings would easily top anything you get from the current bowl games outside of the BCS title tilt...and you will have roughly 8-10 of those major delicious matchups in a playoff system, plus the added benefit of Cinderella-type matchups that also could prove immensely intriguing.

              Holding games at the home stadiums of individual colleges ensure that the teams playing in the games take 100% of the gate/parking/food/merchandise receipts. A team like Ohio State estimates that a major game in the Horseshoe generates upward of $6M. In a playoff system, that all stays with the colleges and universities...not some bowl committee/business that really has absolutely nothing to do with college athletics other than suck the lifeblood out of it. Tack in the TV revenue, and suddenly the NCAA is rolling in more money than they know what to do with...it just might not all flow into specific business/conference coffers like the current old buddy system in charge of this process wants it to go to.
              My signature has NUDITY in it...whatcha gonna do?

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              • #97
                FYI...for those who are interested in hearing from columnists that prefer a 16 team playoff...here's your nirvana:



                The time is now for a playoff in college football. Columnist Dan Wetzel spells out how it should be done.




                AND an added bonus...for all the idiots who argue that an extra 4 week playoff is somehow a ridiculous notion...proof that the NCAA IS ALREADY ACTUALLY USING THE NOTION YOU CLAIM IS RIDICULOUS!!!!

                NCAA.com features live video, live scoring, rankings, news and statistics for all college sports across all divisions in the NCAA.


                AND an even BIGGER added bonus...proof the NCAA and college presidents are considering EXPANDING the lower division's playoff to 18, and eventually 24 teams!



                So it is so successful with the lesser divisions that they want to expand it...yet won't consider it for the big boys?

                Shame on the NCAA.
                My signature has NUDITY in it...whatcha gonna do?

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                • #98
                  Tell that to the Meineke Car Care Bowl or whatever random bank has paid $12mil for 3 years of naming rights to a bowl game. Now multiply that by each bowl game. Then add in the TV revenues. If it was financially advantageous to do a playoff system, it would be done IMO.

                  I'm all for a playoff system in college, but I just dont see it happening anytime soon.

                  The Tostitos Quarter Final Matchup doesn't really have much of a ring to it.
                  Originally posted by 3irty1
                  This is museum quality stupidity.

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                  • #99
                    Of course it would be possible to have a 16-team playoff. If you are just looking at what is to the benefit of fans, you go for a 16 or 32 team tournament.

                    There would be MORE money to be made from a playoff/bowl hybrid, the difference is that the people controlling the current BCS system would get a more modest percentage.

                    Basketball players abandon school for weeks during March Madness. Smaller colleges have an extended football tournament. I think the players are being exploited in these situations, don't want to extend it to big time college football where the athletes are already under ridiculous time pressures.

                    Those of you who say that it has to be a 16-team tournament or forget it are sticking your head in the sand. Even a 4 team tournament goes a long way towards choosing a credible champion in most years.

                    Just watched the documentary Big Time Losers last night. Excellent.

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                    • Rather than start a new thread, I'm gonna change the topic slightly.

                      College sports are absurdly exploitive. College athletes in general have higher graduation rates than other students, but only half the football and basketball players get degrees. Only 1% have successful pro careers. Many aren't getting much education along the way.

                      I'd like to see the University of Wisconsin offer lifetime free tuition to all scholarship athletes in football and basketball. It's the least the system can do for all the financial benefit they've squeezed out of these players. Give them a leg-up if they decide to continue their education later on. There are only 20 seniors graduating every year if you look at football and mens/womens basketball combined, it ain't gonna break anybody's bank.

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                      • I think if you look at the problem realistically instead of thinking that you can make wholesale changes to an entrenched system like they have, you can come up with adjustments that would make it even better, without changing the basic structure in place.

                        16 Teams would be great, but it's unlikely to happen. But they could do 8. Right now they rotate 4 major bowls and have a BCS Championship game that rotates between one of the 4 major bowl sites. Perfect! The adjustment would be, use the 4 major bowls for the top 8 teams as a qualifier for the BCS "Final 4" (ok, they might need to come up with another name, but you get the point). The BCS Final 4 could again rotate between one of the 4 major bowl sites, OR they could throw in a new wrinkle and have it at an alternate site. Their decision. Having it at an alternate site allows them to prepare for the two weekend event and have the facility and conditions perfect. The BCS Final 4 could be a spectacular 2 weekend event with lots and lots of interest. Obviously you would have the semi final matchups one weekend and then the champioinship game the following weekend. By having it at the same site, you would not have the logistical issues, which is why rotating it between the 4 major bowl sites might make even more sense.

                        So, that's not much change other than the BCS championship game is not decided by the polls, but all the major bowls have a bearing on it. For the casual fan, or even the hard core fan, how much more would you love seeing the 4 major bowl games if it was an advancement game? It would be huge! The major adjustment would be having a two weekend event between semi and championship events. Hell, that's just one big party waiting to happen. The interest would be off the charts.

                        Here is a mock scenario of this idea if it were to be used for this year's BCS Poll Top 8.

                        Mock BCS Playoff Spreadsheet
                        "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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                        • I don't get the hemming and hawing. Make it happen. This system isn't entrenched. The old system was ENTRENCHED and they changed it to the current BCS system. I'm really hoping it continues to be a mess for them, and they'll feel obligated to change this joke of a system.

                          16 teams in the playoffs. If they want, they can keep the other bowls for teams that don't make the playoffs. In the end, you'll get as many or slightly more games to commercialize the sh!t out of.
                          "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                          • Originally posted by Zool
                            Tell that to the Meineke Car Care Bowl or whatever random bank has paid $12mil for 3 years of naming rights to a bowl game.
                            A playoff system should be independent from the bowls...with the exception of the last 3 games possibly, which could be utilized into current BCS bowl games.

                            Do you honestly think anyone makes a bunch of money on any of the pre Jan 1 bowl games? The TV ratings and attendance at those games suggests otherwise. Those bowl games also typically do not utilize teams that would be part of a playoff anyway. Let them continue...although with the playoff, some of the weaker bowls might die on the vine. No biggie to lose the Meineke Car Care Bowl IMO...are you really waiting with anticipation to tune in for UConn and Wake Forest this year? Yawn.

                            The current BCS games pull in about $100M in TV revenue. That total would likely triple with a 16 team playoff...as there would be triple the games to recoup the revenue (5 in the current BCS, 15 in the playoff).

                            Originally posted by Zool
                            Now multiply that by each bowl game. Then add in the TV revenues. If it was financially advantageous to do a playoff system, it would be done IMO.
                            The only reason it isn't done is because most bowl organizations are run by the friends of the college presidents...and there is a whole lot of back scratching and money changing hands in these friendships.

                            Originally posted by Zool
                            I'm all for a playoff system in college, but I just dont see it happening anytime soon.
                            Again, there already IS a playoff system in college...just not for the highest division. That is why it doesn't make any sense.

                            Originally posted by Zool
                            The Tostitos Quarter Final Matchup doesn't really have much of a ring to it.
                            So what? The fact of the matter is that A HELL OF A LOT more people would tune in to see first round playoff games than currently tune in to watch the Humanitarian Bowl or Armed Forces Bowl. The TV ratings for any bowls not on Jan 1 or part of the BCS are paltry...and TV ratings are what drive profits and advertising.

                            Would Jan 1 bowls be impacted by an independent playoff system? Probably not. Look at this year's games...WIS-TEN? That game could go on just fine even with an independent playoff...and the same number of fans would watch it. The only bowls that would truly be impacted would be BCS bowls that currently have access to the premier teams that would populate the playoff. However, those bowl games could easily be incorporated in the playoff system in the last 2 rounds.

                            They keep mentioning that the Rose Bowl has to be included. Guess what? WRONG! If they have a contract that goes through 2015, TOO BAD! The Rose Bowl doesn't deserve to be included when they pass over a matchup we all want to see (USC-Georgia) to stick with tradition and pick Illinois.

                            Utilize the Fiesta, Sugar and Orange Bowls in a rotating schedule for the final 3 games in the playoffs...and they now have guaranteed marquee matchups and likely will have much larger TV ratings as a result. That means MORE $$$$$$$$.
                            My signature has NUDITY in it...whatcha gonna do?

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                            • The six BCS conferences currently monopolize 95% of the pie.

                              If they go to a 16 team playoff system, they'll have to share the pie with the other schools. They don't want to do this, even if the pie is bigger.

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                              • I'm doing my own playoff system.

                                Participants:

                                ACC winner - Virginia Tech
                                Big 10 winner - Ohio State
                                Big 12 winner - Oklahoma
                                Big East winner - West Virginia
                                Conference USA winner - Central Florida
                                Mid-American winner - Central Michigan
                                Mountain West winner - BYU
                                Pac 10 winner - USC
                                SEC winner - LSU
                                WAC winner - Hawaii
                                At large - Georiga
                                At large - Missouri
                                At large - Kansas
                                At large - Arizona State
                                At large - Florida
                                At large - Illinois

                                First round
                                #1 Ohio State vs. #16 Central Michigan
                                #2 LSU vs. #15 Central Florida
                                #3 Virginia Tech vs. #14 BYU
                                #4 Oklahoma vs. #13 Illinois
                                #5 Georgia vs. #12 Florida
                                #6. Missouri vs. #11 Arizona State
                                #7. USC vs. #10 Hawaii
                                #8. Kansas vs. #9 West Virginia
                                "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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