Manuel/Collins. The right fit?

[jack's smirking revenge]

When your GM passed up the chance to draft Michael Huff (and the chances to resign Sharper and/or trade for Darius), that tells you your team is in a long run of mediocrity at the S position.

So, since you phrased Thompson as "our" GM, are you no longer a Packer fan? Just curious because, if you are, he's your GM too...like it or not, agree with him or not.

tyler

[OS PA]

When your GM passed up the chance to draft Michael Huff (and the chances to resign Sharper and/or trade for Darius), that tells you your team is in a long run of mediocrity at the S position.

Manuel : Arturo Freeman.

Thompson loves safeties like Freeman. Freeman, much as he stinks, was better than Little and Underwood last year. Thompson cut Freeman because Freeman wanted to end their sexual relationship.

Now Manuel is in the picture. So much for the afterglow.

I just traded Aaron Rodgers and my 1st and 2nd next year for Ed Reed and Kyle Boller, and I traded Kyle Boller and my 3rd and 4th next year to the Lions for Joey Harrington. Why oh why can't Thompson swing a trade like this?

Oh I remember now, real life isn't Madden.

Please tank pull your head out of your rear-end and try to use common sense. If a GM did everything you would want him to we'd be no better off, we'd probably be worse off and in much more debt than you'd ever dream of.

Think.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

When your GM passed up the chance to draft Michael Huff (and the chances to resign Sharper and/or trade for Darius), that tells you your team is in a long run of mediocrity at the S position.

So, since you phrased Thompson as "our" GM, are you no longer a Packer fan? Just curious because, if you are, he's your GM too...like it or not, agree with him or not.

tyler

I am still a die hard Packer fan. Just not a Thompson fan. I don't how people can remain patient with the Polar Bear when its so fucking obvious she's running the Packers to the ground.

10-6 to 4-12 is all the proof you need to know that Thompson has burnt down the Packers down, winning speaking.

[RashanGary]

We'll just have to wait and see on a lot of these things. I think the defense is going to be a lot better than last year.

Last season Thompson cut ties with many players. Sharper, Wahle, Rivera. We also lost Green and Walker to injury. Those might have been 5 of the top 10 players on the entire team the year before. The defense has always sucked so they did what was expected and folded at teh end of every game. The offense lost 4 pro-bowl level players and in turn where horrible.

Sharper
Wahle
Rivera
Walker
Green

Collins
Gado
Woodson
Hawk
Colledge/Jennings/Hodge

It looks like a lot of our play makers that departed have been replaced by younger up and coming play makers. Last season Collins was a rookie and was average. This season he should be really good. Gado, was good but IMO was not in top football shape and should be much better this year. Woodson is a physical hard nosed football player. Hawk is as good as anyone we lost IMO. Colledge/Jennings/Hodge add up something.

Last season we didn't really replace the departed players with much. This season we have a few players we can count on ot make plays. We'll see how it plays out but from a talent standpoint it doesn't look as bad as last year.

[jack's smirking revenge]

Tank, I think its only obvious to you. We were five close games away from 9-7 last year. Yes, we ended up 4-12, but I don't blame that on him. We've got holes and we've got problems, but I'm not going to debate with you about the root and cause. We all know where you stand on the issue and there's really no point in debating it because your stance doesn't change. If there was any pliability or movement in your point of view, further debate might be worth it, but its really the same old Darius/Huff stuff.

tyler

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I just traded Aaron Rodgers and my 1st and 2nd next year for Ed Reed and Kyle Boller, and I traded Kyle Boller and my 3rd and 4th next year to the Lions for Joey Harrington. Why oh why can't Thompson swing a trade like this?

Oh I remember now, real life isn't Madden.

Please tank pull your head out of your rear-end and try to use common sense. If a GM did everything you would want him to we'd be no better off, we'd probably be worse off and in much more debt than you'd ever dream of.

Think.

You should be the one thinking. You havent read my posts enough.

Here's I would do:
2005
Resign Wahle
Restructure Sharper's contract
Draft Login Mankins in the 1st rd
Promise Walker a contract extension in 2006 when I will have about $35 M
Sign Courtney Brown

2006
Sign LeCharles Bentley
Draft Michael Huff (1st rd, 5th overall, 3rd rd, 5th rd and 2007 conditional pick to Oakland for Moss and 7th overall)
Sign LaVer Arrington
Sign Peterson
Trade for Randy Moss
Trade for Joey Harrington (6th rd pick)
Sign Kampman
Sign Woodson
Sign Ahman Green to a 4 years deal

You can't argue that his starting lineup is not better than the one the Polar Bear is fucking with right now:

QB
Favre

RB
Green

WR
Moss
Walker
Driver

TE
Franks

OL
Clifton
Wahle
Bentley
Mankins
Tausher

DL
KGB
Kampman
Grady Jackson
Brown

LB
Peterson
Barnett
Arrington

CB
Woodson
Harris

S
Sharper
Huff

[RashanGary]

I could draw one up better than that. However, there is a little thing called "reality" and most us conduct our reasoning within the limits of it.

[RashanGary]

hehehe..That is a good roster though..

If you could get that done, you would be GM of the decade.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I could draw one up better than that. However, there is a little thing called "reality" and most us conduct our reasoning within the limits of it.

What i Just jot down is reality, except for maybe the Moss trade. Then again, with Walker and a good line, Pack had a top 3 offense. Wahle could be resigned; Sharper contract could be restructed; Mankins was available when Thompson picked 24th last year; Brown was a free agent and was available; With $35 M, Synder of Washington could sign eveyone on ESPN's top 10 free agent list.

Passing up opportunities is all Thompson has been doing since he become GM. In other words, he is fucking up the Packers.

[Partial]

Tank say:

Here's I would do:
2005
Resign Wahle
Restructure Sharper's contract
Draft Login Mankins in the 1st rd
Promise Walker a contract extension in 2006 when I will have about $35 M
Sign Courtney Brown

2006
Sign LeCharles Bentley
Draft Michael Huff (1st rd, 5th overall, 3rd rd, 5th rd and 2007 conditional pick to Oakland for Moss and 7th overall)
Sign LaVer Arrington
Sign Peterson
Trade for Randy Moss
Trade for Joey Harrington (6th rd pick)
Sign Kampman
Sign Woodson
Sign Ahman Green to a 4 years deal

This year, Bentley is making over 10 million this season and averages over 6 million a year in his contract.

Last year, Mike Wahle cost 7.3 million against Carolina's cap, but his number drops to 4.7 million this year.

Darren Sharpers contract averages out to just about 5 million a year, but he is making 4 million this season.

Courtney Brown signed a one-year contract for 2.25 million.

Lavar Arrington has a 3.05 million cap number this season.

Julian Peterson has a 600,000 base salary and a 2.4 bonus being paid this year. His cap number is 3 million.

Moss is making 5.75 million this season.

Harrington has an 8 million cap number this season

Woodson has a 6.6 million cap number this season.

You're retarded. Truly retarded.

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[RashanGary]

What i Just jot down is reality, except for maybe the Moss trade. Then again, with Walker and a good line, Pack had a top 3 offense. Wahle could be resigned; Sharper contract could be restructed; Mankins was available when Thompson picked 24th last year; Brown was a free agent and was available; With $35 M, Synder of Washington could sign eveyone on ESPN's top 10 free agent list.

Passing up opportunities is all Thompson has been doing since he become GM. In other words, he is fucking up the Packers.

The problem with Washington is that they cannot do that because they have themselves in a hole from the last time they tried it. GB surely could have made themselves better last year. They could have made themselves better this year.

I didn't know they even had a word in the economic world for cause and effect within a budget but your term "oppertunity cost" pretty much sums up why most teams don't do what Washington does. They don't have the oppertunity to do today what they want because of what they did yesterday. Thompson has the oppertunity to do those things today because of what he did yesterday. One action does effect the next. It's not on a year to year basis because those bonuses effect future years. Washington opperates barely within the cap. They never use creative ways to push things forward because they are too busy finding ways to use it all right now. It is efficient for today but is it effective in the long term? I don't think so.

[The Leaper]

The problem with Washington is that they haven't sniffed an NFL title since Mark Rypien was tossing the pigskin...regardless of Snyder's spending sprees.

No NFL team that has made large scale free agent purchases has challenged for an NFL title soon after during the era of free agency. Most recent Super Bowl winners have built primarily through the draft, and added a couple well chosen free agents to fill in specific holes after the roster was filling with talent.

That is the fact that some people choose to overlook when they draw up Madden-esque proposals.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

The problem with Washington is that they haven't sniffed an NFL title since Mark Rypien was tossing the pigskin...regardless of Snyder's spending sprees.

No NFL team that has made large scale free agent purchases has challenged for an NFL title soon after during the era of free agency. Most recent Super Bowl winners have built primarily through the draft, and added a couple well chosen free agents to fill in specific holes after the roster was filling with talent.

That is the fact that some people choose to overlook when they draw up Madden-esque proposals.

Washington was never in a cap hell also. They were better than the Packers last year. They look better than the Packers this year.

The Packers when Sherman was demoted had a top 3 offense. Keep it intact and add "a couple of well chosen free agents to fill specific holes" on defense and add 4 players through the draft (1 and 2 rds in 05 and 06; Mankins, Collins, Huff, etc.) and Pack would still be a contender.

To quote Mr. Partial, but nothing personal, you are a retard. truly a retard.

[The Leaper]

If you think the 2004 Packer defense had only a few holes to patch through free agency, then you must have been watching a different team.

The bottom line was that it was impossible to keep the 2004 offense together. Rivera was aging and it would've been dumb to match the offer Dallas gave him. Wahle wanted out of Green Bay, and had a contract completed with another team just hours after he had the chance to start looking elsewhere. Ahman Green was already starting to look a little old at the end of 2004. The power run attack just wasn't going to remain viable without those 3 players in the lineup at 100%.

[RashanGary]

f u you retard

Yeah..I did a thread a long time ago on JS called "going from a GM who borrows from the future to a GM that saves for it is like taking it in the butt, OUCH..."

Sherman opperated a lot like Washington. They did what it took to be the best today even if it meant long term overspending and future cap problems. Both Sherman and Snyder lived in the now and it gets harder and harder each year to keep it up. Thompson is quite the opposite. When he walked in, he saw a lot of contracts that where good today but not in the best intrerest of GB. He cut ties even though it hurt today, he believed it was good for the overall health of the football opperations.

I know you believe that there are unlimited ways to continue to cover up for those types of issues and that the cap is not unlimited but if you're creative it can be unimited. I disagree. I think you can be creative and push it really far in either direction. Once you hit that wall, you have less flexibility and you are still only able to extend tat cieling so far. Thompson is the type who has a savings built up for surprises and Sherman was the type who took out loans. Thompson took over a bunch of loans and instead of living in today, he paid them off right now and it came at the expence of todays life style. Just like taking it in the butt...It hurts at first but after a few minutes she kind of likes it....