Manuel/Collins. The right fit?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

If you think the 2004 Packer defense had only a few holes to patch through free agency, then you must have been watching a different team.

The bottom line was that it was impossible to keep the 2004 offense together. Rivera was aging and it would've been dumb to match the offer Dallas gave him. Wahle wanted out of Green Bay, and had a contract completed with another team just hours after he had the chance to start looking elsewhere. Ahman Green was already starting to look a little old at the end of 2004. The power run attack just wasn't going to remain viable without those 3 players in the lineup at 100%.

Impossible? Not. Wahle wanted MORE money; he did not want out of Green Bay. Thompson chose not to match Carolina's offer, even if the money was there ($7.5M). Logon Mankins couldve replaced Rivera. Mankins was picked last in the 1st rd last year by NE. Obviously, he was avialbale when thompson fell in love with Rodgers. Green wasn't healthy the last part of 2004; a healthy Green is a All pro rb.

As for the Defense, let's see here: Pack need a dominate DE, two more productive LBs, another CB and a playmaking S.

DE: John Abraham or Courney Brown or Draft Pick

LB: Arrington and Peterson (if you say they wouldnt want to play in Green Bay, then you are also saying that thompson lacks the charisma to lure such players here, which is true; therefore, thompson is the equivalent of a coach at a college program who sucks at recruiting blue chippers; wouldnt it be wise than, to find some one else who can get the job done?)

CB: Woodson

S: Sharper, Darius or Huff alongside Collins. Or Darius and Sharper, or Sharper and Huff, or Huff and Darius.

The world is full of alternatives. What i just jot down is just one. The fact is that the alternative thompson chose produced 4-12.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I am luke warm on Manuel.

I can see why somebody would be, but I will add that Manuel did play well last year. I watched the situation closely. I thought Seattle would really be hurt by the loss of Ken Hamlin, but Manuel came through strongly. They were really hurt in the Super Bowl when Manuel went out and was replaced by Etric Pruitt. That doesn't mean Manuel will carry it over in Green Bay, but we could be getting a guy who is just hitting his stride, and at an affordable price.

[Tony Oday]

I had that same team in Madden with the salary cap turned off!

Tank your reality is a little warped but hell I would like that roster.

I would add Brady at QB, T.O. Walker and Randy Moss at WR. Larry Johnson and Tiki Barber at RB. The KC chiefs O line. That would be my offense all I have to do is wheel and deal I could EASILY get that done...

OR.............

NOT


I want a public declaration from you that when we go to the playoffs in this season or the next you retract ALL the TT comments and say you are WRONG.

[Deputy Nutz]

I am luke warm on Manuel.

I can see why somebody would be, but I will add that Manuel did play well last year. I watched the situation closely. I thought Seattle would really be hurt by the loss of Ken Hamlin, but Manuel came through strongly. They were really hurt in the Super Bowl when Manuel went out and was replaced by Etric Pruitt. That doesn't mean Manuel will carry it over in Green Bay, but we could be getting a guy who is just hitting his stride, and at an affordable price.

I think he is worth what Thompson spent on him. He was a solid starter on a very decent defense of a Super Bowl caliber team. What concerns me about Manuel is his lack of turnover production. This team needs players like Hawk and Hodge on the roster to cause more turnovers. The Packer turnover production has been laughable.

Without a doubt Manuel is a better football player than Roman, and for 2 million a year it was a great move. It could also be a move that could come back and burn the Packers, if Manuel plays like a career backup in 2006, it will be especially crappy considering how strong the safety position was in the 2006 draft.

[RashanGary]

I think Manuel was brought in because he is a smart, assignment sure SS. I think Thompson wanted to make sure Collins could just be free and not have to be slowed down by complicated assingnments.

Collins is going to get let free and Manuel is going to do the little things that Collins can't do. That is my view on it.

Collins got his hands on a few passes and was close on a few more last year. I think he's going to create a few TO's this year. I think Hawk will create some and Woodson/Harris should get a few.

Not only should they create more big plays but they don't have any glaring weaknesses so it's going to be hard for teams to get consistant yards through the air or ground

[MJZiggy]

I had that same team in Madden with the salary cap turned off!

Tank your reality is a little warped but hell I would like that roster.

I would add Brady at QB, T.O. Walker and Randy Moss at WR. Larry Johnson and Tiki Barber at RB. The KC chiefs O line. That would be my offense all I have to do is wheel and deal I could EASILY get that done...

OR.............

NOT


I want a public declaration from you that when we go to the playoffs in this season or the next you retract ALL the TT comments and say you are WRONG.

You can't trust Tank to do what he says. He told me that if TT brought in one big name free agent that he would sip a little kool-aid with me and he's failed to do that. He lied.

[Scott Campbell]

You can't trust Tank to do what he says. He told me that if TT brought in one big name free agent that he would sip a little kool-aid with me and he's failed to do that. He lied.

I refuse to believe Tank would not be true to his word. Ever. To me, Tank's name is synonomous with integrity. Or something.

[MJZiggy]

Or something.

Either way, his arguments have no merit until he honors his obligations.

[Partial]

tank, I just reread your post. You think a 3rd, a 5th, trading down two spots in the first, and a conditional pick are enough to land randy moss AND the 7th pick in the draft?

[MadtownPacker]

Collins got his hands on a few passes and was close on a few more last year. I think he's going to create a few TO's this year.

Collins WAS oh so close to getting some picks that he would have took to the house. I mean they hit him the hands! With his speed no one that aint a WR is gonna catch him. He is just plain sick. Plus he hits like a load of bricks!!

I was real pissed when the predator was traded to the Aints but Collins(the pick traded) has lessened that with his play last season. He didnt even play great, just somewhat solid but showing flashes of his ability. IF he can be out there playing centerfield he will get those INTs.

[RashanGary]

Yeah, his speed allows him to be in positions that QB's don't think is possible untill well after they release the ball.

A QB might throw up a ball that he knows is out of the FS reach but when he looks again, Collins is on it.

[b bulldog]

Collins should be a probowler within two years.