Ahman Green's career could be over

[HarveyWallbangers]

Way to take his quote out of context. I doubt he's saying very sad that Ahman got his money. He's saying very sad that he got hurt. He went on to say that Ahman got his money, he likes the guy, and was rooting for him. Then, he wrote that he hopes he makes a recovery. Drama Queen.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I was not making the connection that you made, and was in no way criticizing or disagreeing with the original poster. Just adding another way of looking at situation.

Any drama was raised by you. What a dick.

[packers11]

Way to take his quote out of context. I doubt he's saying very sad that Ahman got his money. He's saying very sad that he got hurt. He went on to say that Ahman got his money, he likes the guy, and was rooting for him. Then, he wrote that he hopes he makes a recovery.

Thank you for clearing my statement up

[RashanGary]

With the goal of winning games in mind, it's nice to have a GM who seems to have a very solid understanding of the risk/reward balance in the NFL. That is the big problem with the overzealous attitudes here. They see the potential reward, but they never weigh the risk. Statistics is one area of math that I would not consider myself fluent in, so I can't go all math guru here, but I do think there is a very obvious relationship between risk and reward that should be obvious to any sharp anylitical mind even in the absence of formal education. I think the odds of being successfull greatly increases if you take 10 shots vs one shot. The more $$ per shot, the fewer shots. It's further complicated because the worth of a player is subjective. You can't just plug Player A's worth and cost into a formula and compare it to the combined success probability of Player's B through E. You have to first be able to attach a somewhat reliable gauge to each players worth. That is all subjective, unreliable and based on many, many, many surrounding circumstances. Nobody knows if RB A is great or if Oline A and QB A were really making him look better. Nobody knows if RB B sucks or if he was studying hard at Notre Dame to get his degree and wasn't as committed to football. Nobody can predict injuries. It's very, very, very, very complicated by my estimation. None of us really have a grasp of what works and why. The conclusion I come to is that more shots is better than fewer becuase it's so uncertain.

With that said, Sherman seemed to believe he could prepare hard enough and search long enough to find teh players he needed. He thought each year he could patch it up and make it work by finding the guys who were good. He didn't realize that finding the guys who are good is impossible to do at a high clip and the chacnes of injury increase the older a player gets. Also, just how good a player is can be greatly skewed by the players around each player. Edge James for exampel seems like a product of a very good situation in Indy and was not the same in the Arizona. Ultimately, you're spending a shit load of money on a chance that things work out. Thompson on the other hand designs his plan knowing that he doesn't know the future. He'd rather take more chances than blow his wad on one chance.

Ulitmately, I think Thompson is better prepared to make judgements on a players projected worth and better at it but at the same time, he knows he's not perfect. He knows the mistakes that happen because he's seen them happen in the draft room. He knows that he doesn't know, but he also has ideas of what to look for. He's not only better at finding talent than Sherman, but he's also more humble about what he knows so his whole approach is set up in a way that accounts for inevitable error. We're lucky to have Ted Thompson and we were unlucky to have Mike Sherman. I wished the best for Green, but there is an ongoing debate that this situaiton applys to, the Ted Thompson debate. That's why this is relevant IMO.

I don't think I have the answer, but by not knowing the answer, I think I'm closer to right than the person who thinks he has it. It's like a Physics problem. Some people just can't get it now matter how hard they try. It will never happen for them. That is what his happening here. There are a bunch of people who don't get it, have no idea and will never get it. One of those guys was the GM of this team not to long ago. Some here are polite and decent, but the ones who are sarcastic, rude and stupid all in one deserve to be called out. The ones who sit with their arms crossed on the sideline cold and bitter deserve to be fired and talked about on the radio and internet. That's how it works. If you don't get it, admit it or shut up because this is what happnes to the loud and ignorant.

[Partial]

Disagree. Completely unnecessary after RG has already made his mea culpa post.

And stickied it, and refused to say anything in the thread about stuff he might have gotten right. Going after the one guy who publicly changed his song when there are others who haven't isn't good.

Where and when was this?

[Cheesehead Craig]

Disagree. Completely unnecessary after RG has already made his mea culpa post.

And stickied it, and refused to say anything in the thread about stuff he might have gotten right. Going after the one guy who publicly changed his song when there are others who haven't isn't good.

Where and when was this?

Here's the link:

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=9834&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

It was stickied at the time, but it seems to no longer be a sticky. As of right now, it's on page 4 of the Packers discussion.

[Tarlam!]

Where and when was this?

I was asking myself the same thing. I have no recollection of it.

[Rastak]

Where and when was this?

I was asking myself the same thing. I have no recollection of it.

It was there for a week or two.

[Partial]

Why can I not respond in that thread? I go to post reply and it takes me to the forum index. How did I miss this thread?!? I am on here more than anyone

[Tarlam!]

Why can I not respond in that thread?

Worked fine for me...

[Scott Campbell]

Ahman might be too beat up for his inflated Houston salary. But if he can recover, he might make a very interesting 3rd down option at the veterans minimum.

[Merlin]

Thompson was right not to counter the Texan's offer to Green. Ahman is a great running back when healthy but he hasn't been too healthy the past three years. Green got a great payday and I suspect he isn't done yet in the NFL. Thompson may take a shot at him for depth since Grant is the only RB we have that has stayed on the field for any length of time. Green has proven through the years that he can work well in a multi back system and at his age, it may be a good fit for him. We don't know what Thompson will do. Chances are he will either keep with the idea that Jackson, Wynn and Morency are it or he will draft another RB or two. Personally, I am all for giving Morency another shot because when he is healthy he is a good back. Jackson and Wynn? They don't impress me at all.

As far as gloating over what someone said or taking part of what they said and twisting it for your own personal vendetta, I think there has been far too much of that in here. Also, to personally attack another poster is just childish. The name calling, the intentional misinterpretation of what was written, all for your own ego, has to stop. In the "real" world, people are allowed their opinions whether you like them or not. If you don't like what someone has to say, either use a respectful rebuttal without the name calling or just don't read what they post. If you think your shit doesn't stink I suggest you take a whiff the next time worship the throne.

[cheesner]

Thompson was right not to counter the Texan's offer to Green. Ahman is a great running back when healthy but he hasn't been too healthy the past three years. Green got a great payday and I suspect he isn't done yet in the NFL. Thompson may take a shot at him for depth since Grant is the only RB we have that has stayed on the field for any length of time. Green has proven through the years that he can work well in a multi back system and at his age, it may be a good fit for him. We don't know what Thompson will do. Chances are he will either keep with the idea that Jackson, Wynn and Morency are it or he will draft another RB or two. Personally, I am all for giving Morency another shot because when he is healthy he is a good back. Jackson and Wynn? They don't impress me at all.

As far as gloating over what someone said or taking part of what they said and twisting it for your own personal vendetta, I think there has been far too much of that in here. Also, to personally attack another poster is just childish. The name calling, the intentional misinterpretation of what was written, all for your own ego, has to stop. In the "real" world, people are allowed their opinions whether you like them or not. If you don't like what someone has to say, either use a respectful rebuttal without the name calling or just don't read what they post. If you think your shit doesn't stink I suggest you take a whiff the next time worship the throne.

Right.

I might have a little respect for this post and the inappropriateness of personal attacks, if it didn't come from a poster who has chosen to personally attack TT at every opportunity.

[Fritz]

I think my temptation to point out how awful Green's contract from the Texans looks in retrospect stems from the unreasonable (to me) bitterness so many people displayed toward TT as he chose to sign (or not sign) certain players. I don't mind disagreements, in fact, I like the discussion. But the attacks on TT were vitriolic and shrill, and that bothered me greatly. It didn't seem to be enough for people to not agree with TT's moves, or to criticize the job he was doing. The guy was sometimes painted as some kind of Satan, like he was deliberately wrecking the team so he could make it "his." And that whole thing about trying to force Favre into retirement because TT was jealous and needed to make the team his and only his...well, come on. So it is tempting to want to throw this kind of thing back in some people's faces.

However, in the case of Mr. RetailGuy, he did start this whole thread in which he owned up to the error of his ways. It was a very admirable thing to do, and my respect levels for him have skyrocketed.

As for Ahman, I was in favor of re-signing him for a two-year deal, but from what I'd read at the time, the Texans' deal was way, way high, given Green's age and injury history. So I was okay with TT not trying to top that.

[The Leaper]

Honestly...why would ANYONE want Green back?

He's an injury waiting to happen. He's got no future. He can't help on special teams.

We could find a far more useful 3rd down back...either in the draft or free agency. Morency and Jackson have potential to develop into solid backs in that capacity as well.

I'd love to see Green sign and retire as a Packer. I highly doubt Thompson would seriously consider bringing him back to fight for a spot as a 3rd down back. Grant is the near future at RB for the Packers.