Good, Bad, Ugly, Harrell

[Merlin]

2 seasons to get stronger?!??!??

What on earth are you talking about? He couldn't lift until right before the combine and even then he was held out by McCarthy out of off-season lifting workouts.

Yeah his legs were broken right? His other arm didn't work right? He couldn't run right?

Use your head for something besides a hat rack.

[Merlin]

2 seasons to get stronger?!??!??

What on earth are you talking about? He couldn't lift until right before the combine and even then he was held out by McCarthy out of off-season lifting workouts.

P, just let it go man. Stop playing the game, unless you like the game. Then by all means keep going. Keeps the forum interesting.

I wish my shit didn't stink like yours. Oh wait , yours does. Nice to see you think you know everything. I think I rest my case on the "part of the problem" when it comes to you.

[pbmax]

If walking a pro guard backward doesn't make you at least go "Nice above average job" then I am not sure what you expect. With that move alone and then moving down to line to squeeze a hole against a good running team, Harrell might have, in 15 snaps, showed more than Jamal Reynolds did in 4 years.

Doesn't mean he can do it consistently, but he can do it. Time will tell.

I didn't see anything out of Harrell today that made me go "wow". He looked average to below average. I would expect a lot more from a #1 pick who has basically had all season to learn and get stronger (2 seasons to get stronger). I am seeing a Jamal Reynold's type of player right now. Looks good for a few snaps, then looks below average. And then, gets injured. The only blessing is that Harrell didn't get injured. But he has also pretty much been injured the past two years.

I will give him another season to get it together but I am not holding my breath on this one.

[Zool]

2 seasons to get stronger?!??!??

What on earth are you talking about? He couldn't lift until right before the combine and even then he was held out by McCarthy out of off-season lifting workouts.

P, just let it go man. Stop playing the game, unless you like the game. Then by all means keep going. Keeps the forum interesting.

I wish my shit didn't stink like yours. Oh wait , yours does. Nice to see you think you know everything. I think I rest my case on the "part of the problem" when it comes to you.

If you're part of the 'solution', God help us all.

[retailguy]

Face it, Crosby had almost no wind and missed one FG horribly and then on a kickoff from the 45, he dropped the ball on what? The 5 yard line? Why wasn't the ball kicked into the stands?

No wind?

I was at the game in row 1 on the home side. My 9 year old was with me. Should I post the "wind burn" pics of me and her? In the second quarter I almost took her back to the car because she was so cold from the wind hitting her in the face. Wind was very deceptive in lambeau yesterday... Trust me. I was there.

He totally blew the 1st field goal before half time. Couple of the kicks were short, otherwise he had a good day.

Merlin, sometimes you're just out to lunch. Today is one of those days.

[Partial]

2 seasons to get stronger?!??!??

What on earth are you talking about? He couldn't lift until right before the combine and even then he was held out by McCarthy out of off-season lifting workouts.

Yeah his legs were broken right? His other arm didn't work right? He couldn't run right?

Use your head for something besides a hat rack.

Have you ever lifted weights? You do understand the concept of compound movements, etc that require your whole body to do them, right?

Football lifts are squats, deads, cleans. Those movements should be the focus of any successful lifting routine because they focus on big movements that require the largest muscles in your body. Try dead lifting (the movement that makes your entire body big and strong) with one arm. Not possible. Try doing a clean. Hell, for how big these guys are and how much they're lifting it wouldn't necessarily be safe to even do a squat with one bad arm. In addition to that, how can you do any presses, or rows to make your body grow?!? You need to work all of your muscles if you want to get big because it increases your testosterone. That is why there are so many scrawny guys at the gym who only lift with their upper body.

Naturally, immediately after you have surgery you return to the weight room too. The muscle doesn't need any time to actually heal before you strengthen it. Clearly the way to fix a torn muscle is to tear more muscle fibers.

[MJZiggy]

I wish I cared enough to bring up the "Rayner is horrible" threads from last season after he missed some FG's ugly in the cold. I guarantee what was said about him was way worse then what has been said about Crosby to this point.

And that in a nutshell is the only issue I have with the posters here. They get all high and mighty with their drivel and then when something like this happens, not a one of them will step up and say "I was wrong".

Face it, Crosby had almost no wind and missed one FG horribly and then on a kickoff from the 45, he dropped the ball on what? The 5 yard line? Why wasn't the ball kicked into the stands?

He didn't look good yesterday (and not the first game he didn't look good either) and for those of you who are sitting there going "but but but but" and were all over Rayner for the same thing, it's time to grow up.

Or are you going to go back to the first game of the season and his game winning field goal and hang onto that? It doesn't matter the excuse you want to pull out of your ass, these problems are eerily familiar...

Don't hand me "but, but, but" crap. Mason Crosby is tied as the leading scorer in the NFL. I was not all over Rayner about anything. I do think he missed too many late in the season, but I don't now, nor did I ever, think that choosing Crosby was a mistake. It was a choice that had to be made. It was made and if TT changes his mind, Rayner is unemployed. I don't see TT changing his mind. Time to get over it.

[The Leaper]

I didn't see anything out of Harrell today that made me go "wow". He looked average to below average. I would expect a lot more from a #1 pick who has basically had all season to learn and get stronger (2 seasons to get stronger).

All season? The guy has been injured and on the sidelines most of the season. He certainly did not look below average, either. He was reliable at holding the point for the most part when I was looking at him, and he made a couple of nice plays...although the penalty took away one of them.

I will go on record to say that I believe Harrell is going to be a guy who takes a big step forward this offseason. He's not at all like Reynolds...a one-trick pony who was undersized for the next level. Harrell has the physical stature and ability of an NFL DT. He should be much more effective next year if he follows the coaching advice he receives this offseason.

[The Leaper]

I wish I cared enough to bring up the "Rayner is horrible" threads from last season after he missed some FG's ugly in the cold. I guarantee what was said about him was way worse then what has been said about Crosby to this point.

Do you even remember those kicks from last year Merlin? Rayner wasn't missing 45 or 50 yarders...he was missing 30 yarders.

He missed a 28 yarder against the Seahawks.
He missed a 34 and 38 yarder against the Vikings.
He missed a 32 yarder against the Bears.

There is a big difference IMO between missing a 45+ yard field goal and a 28 or 32 or 34 yard field goal. A HUGE difference.

Crosby inside of 40 yards this year is 15 of 16.

That is why the outcry isn't as loud, Merlin. Rayner missed kicks that NFL kickers SHOULD make 90%+ of the time. Perhaps you should do a little more digging into the cause of these issues rather than speculate about things you clearly have no real knowledge of.

[shammye06]

Just a question for the football minds out there. Do you think Harrell could eventually become like Albert Haynesworth for the Titans? I really didn't hear too much about him prior to this year and now he is an awesome defensive tackle. Just wondering.

[woodbuck27]

Good
Ryan Grant was a beast.

Nick Barnett was all over the field and made an early big tackle on fourth down

Greg Jennings made another big play

Donald Lee was his consistent self and also had some great YAC on his TD.

Will Blackmon showed his burst and elusiveness on punts.

Bad
Crosby missed two make-able FG's and his kickoffs were short.

Great to see Nick Barnett get back on track with a solid game at the Mary. As in ' HOLY Mary we need him to play very well '.

I'm really impressed with WR Greg Jennings

(11 TD's). Just super !!

Who in here would have predicted that performance fr. our sophmore WR?

Noone?

Jennings is playing relaxed and looks like a seasoned Vet with leadership to boot.

Donald Driver is playing a huge role in Greg Jennings showing Stat wise. What a solid team player D is. A great Packer ranking up there as a TOP ALL TIME Packer WR now.

YUP !

TE Donald Lee has been all we could have hoped for. A real stop gap option and those yards after the catch we have hungered for fr. our TE.

and of course:

FAVRE. Some great results fr. this LEGEND this season and another good outing. Rebounding after a down outing in the previous game.

All he needs through the air VS St. Louis is 184 yards to surpass Dan Marino as the ALL TIME LEADER in Yard's passing.

I never expected that Favre would strike that one from the record books looking back 4-6 season's ago.

Well here he is, despite all the BS and lack of obvious support he's received for years.

FAVRE just gets better and just gets it done.

Just get out of his way.

Some people in here can't wait till he's gone.

How sick is that?

PACKERS FOREVER!

[The Leaper]

Just a question for the football minds out there. Do you think Harrell could eventually become like Albert Haynesworth for the Titans? I really didn't hear too much about him prior to this year and now he is an awesome defensive tackle. Just wondering.

I don't think Harrell has the ability of Haynesworth, although many associated with the Vols do feel Harrell was worthy of comparison to Haynesworth...even if he wasn't quite as good.

Tennessee has produced a lot of great talent at DT...really the SEC in general. Since 1995, 11 DTs have been taken in the first 2 rounds from SEC schools. Only 3 were failures, while the other 8 are all at least capable starters in the league...and 3 or 4 are/were legitimate Pro Bowl caliber talent at some point.

Harrell is a huge man who is only going to get better as he gets accustomed to the NFL and what he needs to do to succeed. The jump from college to the NFL is big for any position, but probably more so at DT than any other position other than QB. These guys could simply rely on their athleticism alone in college most of the time. In the NFL, they need to refine their techniques and learn to play fundamentally sound football, because the OL players in the NFL are so much stronger and smarter than what they see in college.

[The Leaper]

I'm really impressed with WR Greg Jennings

I am as well...but the kid does need to work on his hands this offseason. He still drops way too many catchable balls.

Other than that, he's been incredible this year. Driver and Jennings are quite possibly the 2 most elusive WRs in the NFL. They really rack up yards after the catch, mostly from sheer athleticism.

[SkinBasket]

I will give him another season to get it together but I am not holding my breath on this one.

Or what? You'll send him a strongly worded, poorly written letter laden with the same retarded idiocy you post here? I'm sure he cares. Just as much as we do.

[Bossman641]

Some people in here can't wait till he's gone.

How sick is that?

Who are these people?

Yea, some people actually have the balls to criticize him. Some also said he was out of line with his wavering back and forth on retirement.

I don't think anyone in here is sitting in a corner counting down the days til Favre is gone.