ESPN : Vikings in Superbowl???

[3irty1]

I thought 34-0 was a fluke. Everything went right for the Packers that day. It reminds me of the Dallas game with GB. Everything just bounced the wrong way includiing the schedule, injuries and the refs. I'm not about making excuses, but I know the Packers can do better than they did that day and I know the Vikings are a hell of a lot better than the game they played in Lambeau.

Fluke? Any time an NFL team beats another NFL team 34-0 you could call it a fluke. No team plays their best football and loses 34-0. Doesn't mean the Packers aren't better on offense defense and special teams.

[3irty1]

Winfield ia an awesome corner. I'd take him 1 overall in the north.

I can think of about four guys I'd rather have from the North.

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Winfield ia an awesome corner. I'd take him 1 overall in the north.

I can think of about four guys I'd rather have from the North.

Tillman looked great for the bears last night. I think he is the one who caught Fergy from behind. Obviously I like Harris and Woodson because I am biased, but Tillman would be my #3 guy.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Winfield ia an awesome corner. I'd take him 1 overall in the north.

I can think of about four guys I'd rather have from the North.

No knock on Winfield, but I'd take two to four over him. I'd take Woodson and Tillman. Harris and Vasher are about equal. Winfield is a great tackler. He's decent in coverage, but the four other guys are better.

[b bulldog]

Vasher and Winfield would be my starters out of the north. Good young players who can cover and make a big hit. Harv, I'm giving some love to a Buckeye Not biased against Buckin the NFL, just don't like some of them.

[HarveyWallbangers]

IMHO, Winfield is to corners what Hawk is to LBs. They are both solid, but not upper echelon. Winfield is not a shutdown corner. He can get passed on more than many of the top corners--which is why I can't put him with some of the top corners. He's a great tackler though, and he's a good fit for the Tampa Two defense. Based on their performance the last two years, I'd take Charles Woodson over Winfield, no question. I could see an argument between Harris, Winfield, and Vasher. I think Woodson and Tillman are clearly the two best corners in the division.

[RashanGary]

Seems like a great hire in Michigan, bulldog. They did the right thing going outside the program.

[b bulldog]

Tillman is injured way too much and doesn't have very good speed. IMO, Tillman would be a solid S. Vasher has great upside.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Tillman is injured way too much and doesn't have very good speed. IMO, Tillman would be a solid S. Vasher has great upside.

I doubt Winfield is any faster than Tillman. He's not fast and he's short, but he's smart and can tackle (and tackle hard). That makes him a good fit for the Tampa Two. Winfield would be terrible in our scheme. Then again, Al Harris would be terrible in the Tampa Two.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Tillman has missed 4 games in the last 3 years. Winfield has missed that many this year alone. I'm not saying Winfield is injury prone at all (he's not), but I'd hardly classify Tillman as injury prone. Mike Brown is injury prone.

[b bulldog]

Brown is but Tillman has played through nagging groin injuries which slowed him down in the past and was the reason why the Bears dabbled with the idea of moving him to S.

[3irty1]

Believe it or not I think Harris is the best corner in the North

He is the strongest, hes durable, and watching him bump and run with a receiver is like watching a true professional. He is a great equalizer. No matter how big and how fast you are he can ruin your route or guide you out of bounds. It's beautiful. 3/4 of the earth is covered by water... the rest is covered by Al Harris.

Woodson is another elite corner. He does everything well and makes some very big plays. He likes to cheat and gamble but it pays off more often than not while covering his guy.

Tillman and Vasher are both great. Tillman is physical and also good at disrupting routes but is not as good as either Chuck or Al in man coverage. Vasher has some good hands and is pretty quick but is a bit small and a bit weak.

Antoine Winfield is a great tackler which is good because he gives up a lot of catches. He's too small, he gets picked on a lot. A teams best receiver is a good matchup on this guy.

[Partial]

I think Harris is slowing down but I think Chuck is the best CB in the NFC. Al is just gettin' old, but he can still man handle a #2.

[3irty1]

I think Harris is slowing down but I think Chuck is the best CB in the NFC. Al is just gettin' old, but he can still man handle a #2.

He's enjoying his first pro bowl year ever. Clearly the players and coaches disagree.

Al is only a year older than Chuck and lets not forget that he shut down everyone in the first half of the season. He's got plenty of juice left in the tank... He's stronger than ever and can still turn and run with the best. I love Chuck as much as the next guy but theres a reason Al is assigned a team's #1 receiving threat every week.