M3 Outcoached

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Why did he stop running?!?! Ryan Grant was doing just fine.

[Rastak]

Re: M3 Outcoached

Why did he stop running?!?! Ryan Grant was doing just fine.

It's hard to do one thing exclusivly. I kinda doubt they would have continued to have success had Chicago focused exclusively on the run. I thought they should have thrown the ball a little earlier.

[MadtownPacker]

This is the 2nd straight game where lovie bitch-slapped M3. He better get his act together because no one is gonna put up with a Packers coach getting his ass handed to him by the bears every season.

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Re: M3 Outcoached

Why did he stop running?!?! Ryan Grant was doing just fine.

It's hard to do one thing exclusivly. I kinda doubt they would have continued to have success had Chicago focused exclusively on the run. I thought they should have thrown the ball a little earlier.

I disagree. They started out the game with a big run. They got about 3 yards. Then two passing plays that were incomplete. Then they gave up the score.

After the TD run by Grant, I don't think they ran at all in the next series. Then, they would run on 1 of the 3 plays and thats it.

They tried to run their normal spread offense and it didn't work. Their is no reason to see 5 wide on first down on a 2 degree day with 40 mph winds and snow when they're down by 6 points.

[FritzDontBlitz]

This is the 2nd straight game where lovie bitch-slapped M3. He better get his act together because no one is gonna put up with a Packers coach getting his ass handed to him by the bears every season.

Not even if they finish 13-3?

Dude, its just one game. I am more disappointed in the first loss than this one. The first game was well in hand and they blew it. This was a weather induced meltdown. It happens.

If Lovie is banking on using the weather to beat the Packers every season I like our chances. This was New Years Eve in reverse. Let's move on.

[MadtownPacker]

Im not really pissed about the bears sweeping, I am pissed that they had a chance of home field advantage and laid a GDamn egg!! The fact it was the stupid, useless idiot bears only magnifies shit

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This is the 2nd straight game where lovie bitch-slapped M3. He better get his act together because no one is gonna put up with a Packers coach getting his ass handed to him by the bears every season.

Not even if they finish 13-3?

Dude, its just one game. I am more disappointed in the first loss than this one. The first game was well in hand and they blew it. This was a weather induced meltdown. It happens.

If Lovie is banking on using the weather to beat the Packers every season I like our chances. This was New Years Eve in reverse. Let's move on.

This is worse than last year when we beat the bears. They didnt have anything to play for last year when we won. The Packers did and they lost. 10 times worse on this loss than than what the happened to the bears last year.

[RashanGary]

The Packers got outplayed. Plain and simple.

It was run run run punt block.
run run run punt block
pass pass pass punt block

The wind stopped the pass game and the Bears loaded up and stopped the run game. They would win 9 out of 10 times in those conditions.

[FritzDontBlitz]

Re: M3 Outcoached

Why did he stop running?!?! Ryan Grant was doing just fine.

It's hard to do one thing exclusivly. I kinda doubt they would have continued to have success had Chicago focused exclusively on the run. I thought they should have thrown the ball a little earlier.

I disagree. They started out the game with a big run. They got about 3 yards. Then two passing plays that were incomplete. Then they gave up the score.

After the TD run by Grant, I don't think they ran at all in the next series. Then, they would run on 1 of the 3 plays and thats it.

They tried to run their normal spread offense and it didn't work. Their is no reason to see 5 wide on first down on a 2 degree day with 40 mph winds and snow when they're down by 6 points.

Everyone will groan when I say this, but today was a day when the hated "U-71" package would have been perfect. I have always thought scrapping it altogether was a stupid idea - I also think scrapping it completely last season had more to do with Jeff Jaggofinski's intense dislike for Mike Sherman than it did with U-71's value as a running/passing option. M3 has no power running/passing scheme to compensate for situations like this, which also explains why they have so little success in 3rd/4th and 1 situations. No two TE sets, no short passes to the tight end over the middle, no short releases by the fullback OVER THE MIDDLE as a short yardage receiver - plenty to the flat, but very few passes over the middle to the FB like we had in the Hendo era. These things have been completely overlooked in the success of the 4 and 5 receiver sets, but after today it should be obvious that being able to move the chains consistently is the most important thing at this time of the year. M3 needs to get together with Favre and stress the importance of the TE and FB in the short passing game. This why I have been clamoring for Bubba's return for weeks. Donald Lee has been exceptional stretching the field but he seems to be nonexistent short. Use them both, because we need them both to succeed.

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No it wasn't. Grant had 14 carries total. TOTAL. That includes mop-up time.

It went like this:

Grant for 24
Grant for 0
Favre incomplete
Favre incomplete
Ryan Fumbles (Bear ball at the GB 34)

Grant right tackle for 2 yards
Grant right end for 0 yards
Favre incomplete
Punt blocked (Bears ball at the GB 7)

Favre incomplete
Grant for no gain (on Packer 3 against a goal line formation)
Favre completion for 5 yards
Punt

Ryan Grant left tackle 4 yards
Ryan Grant right tackle 66 yards

Packers 7, Bears 6

Favre incomplete
Favre incomplete
Favre incomplete
Punt (9 yards, Bears start at Chicago 45)

Grant for 1 yard to run out the clock at the half




Grant left tackle no gain
Grant left end 4 yards
Favre interception (Bears start at GB 36)

Favre incomplete
Favre incomplete
Favre incomplete
Punt blocked for touchdown

Then the game was out of control.

Favre was a whopping 1/12 for 5 yards and 1 crucial INT. Why would you keep chucking it up in the terrible weather?

Grant was averaging 10.1 yards per carry at this point, including the 1 yard run to run out the clock before half. He was either boom or bust.

They took the rock out of his hands way too early. They couldn't move the ball through the air but didn't give it a chance on the ground. Why not try running it 3 times in a row like the Bears did so successfully?

[FritzDontBlitz]

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This is the 2nd straight game where lovie bitch-slapped M3. He better get his act together because no one is gonna put up with a Packers coach getting his ass handed to him by the bears every season.

Not even if they finish 13-3?

Dude, its just one game. I am more disappointed in the first loss than this one. The first game was well in hand and they blew it. This was a weather induced meltdown. It happens.

If Lovie is banking on using the weather to beat the Packers every season I like our chances. This was New Years Eve in reverse. Let's move on.

This is worse than last year when we beat the bears. They didnt have anything to play for last year when we won. The Packers did and they lost. 10 times worse on this loss than than what the happened to the bears last year.

The Packers were playing for an IF. IF the Cowboys lose another game the Packers clinch #1 seed IF they win their last two games. The only reason its worse is because you want to believe it is. Did they lose their spot in the playoffs? Did they lose a first round bye? Would the game have been the same if the Packers style of play wasn't hindered by the weather conditions - weather conditions that are rarer in Chicago than a Hawaiian Tropics Bikini contest? No, no and no. It was about bragging rights, that's it. Who gives a fuck about bragging rights other than Bears fans?

The Packers lost a fluke of a game with very few injuries if any. They finished the day 12-3, at worst they will end the season 12-4 but I doubt they lose 2 in a row. They lost. It was ugly. You live with it and move on.

[LL2]

What the hell of a clunker game was this? I had to watch the game at a sport bar as my family and I are traveling to spend the holiday's in Wisconsin. I hope they got all of their bad stuff out of them so we will not see it in the playoffs.

By the way, Wisconsin is getting buried in an avalanche of snow!

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If they aren't going to commit to the run, it will be better to play in Dallas. I say rest some guys next week. Let Favre play the first quarter with the starters, then let the back-ups play and let A-Rod get some game experience.

[Scott Campbell]

We've got to win the first game at Lambeau before we'll get an opportunity to play at Dallas. This team has fought all year to earn the right to play one at home in Green Bay in January. What we learned today is that they are not ready to compete in poor weather conditions. We now get to see how McCarthy and the crew will adjust to better prepare this team.

[RashanGary]

I don't think there is much MM can do. YOu have to have the horses if you want to win the race.

1. Pickett is the only good run stopping DT we have playing in the playoffs. Williams is average and Harrell is a notch below Williams.

2. The Oline is small and finesse. The only reason the run is effective is because the pass is such a big threat that teams rarely put 8 in the box.



This team is just not built to win bad weather games. Everything about their personal says finesse. When Jolly and Pickett were in the middle teams did not run. One guy goes down and we went from good run stopping to very mediocre. I don't think anything can be done to make this team better in cold weather. They are what they are IMO. Pickett would make a slight difference and the ST's could be better than terrible but other than that, I don't see this team every being better than average and most playoff teams are better than average so odds are we'd lose in this situation next time it arises.