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  • Knocked Off Balance, Clinton Campaign Tries to Regain Its Stride
    By PATRICK HEALY and KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
    Published: February 14, 2008

    SAN ANTONIO — The Texas and Ohio presidential primaries, on March 4, have become must-win contests for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, her advisers say. So why is she just opening campaign field offices across those states?
    The primary in Pennsylvania, on April 22, is also a crucial battleground. So why is her campaign telling its most prominent supporter there, Gov. Edward G. Rendell, that there is not enough money now for his proposed piece of direct mail to voters?

    And the Maine caucuses on Sunday were the one recent contest that Mrs. Clinton had hoped to win. So why did the campaign of her rival, Senator Barack Obama, have better political and Internet operations to energize its supporters there? (Mr. Obama won Maine.)

    The answers go to the heart of Mrs. Clinton’s current political challenge. She and her team showered so much money, attention and other resources on Iowa, New Hampshire and some of the 22-state nominating contests on Feb. 5 that they have been caught flat-footed — or worse — in the critical contests that followed, her political advisers said.

    She also made a strategic decision to skip several small states holding caucuses, states where Mr. Obama scored big victories, accumulating delegates and, possibly, momentum.

    Her heavy spending and relatively modest fund-raising in January compounded the problems, leaving the campaign ill-equipped to plan after Feb. 5, advisers and donors say.

    “It sure didn’t look like they had a game plan after Super Tuesday,” Mr. Rendell said in an interview on Wednesday. “What I would have done, knowing the line-up, I would’ve picked one or two states to make an all-out effort, whether Maine or Washington State or you name it, to really try to stop the Obama momentum.”

    While Clinton fund-raising has rebounded, to about $1 million a day, her advisers acknowledge that Mr. Obama has been taking money in at a faster clip since January. They say his recent money advantage is one reason he was able to build stronger organizations and spend more on advertising than she did in several states this winter.

    Several Clinton donors put the blame on the campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, and said that Ms. Doyle’s shortcomings as a long-range planner was a factor that led her to be replaced on Sunday by another longtime Clinton aide, Maggie Williams.

    But Clinton aides said they were confident they would have enough money to prevail in Ohio and Texas. They plan to open a campaign headquarters in Austin this weekend, and to open field offices soon; more than 100 staff members have been redeployed to Texas.

    They have a campaign headquarters in Columbus, Ohio, and are opening field offices now; an Ohio spokesman for Mrs. Clinton said there were staff members working in the state’s 18 Congressional districts.

    Still, after eight straight losses by Mrs. Clinton since Feb. 5, and with finances only now stabilizing, the campaign is scrambling to build up its forces in both states. On Tuesday afternoon, it sent an urgent request for help to volunteers in California, New York and other states that have already voted, asking people to travel to Texas and Ohio “to spread Hillary’s message and help her win.”

    “We are setting up field offices and are looking for volunteers to travel into these states and spend as much time as they can,” the campaign e-mail request stated. “Every phone call made and every person on the ground makes all the difference.”

    The message did not mention assistance with travel costs.

    If the Clinton organization appears a little improvisational, a review of its recent performances suggests that Mrs. Clinton was outmaneuvered by Mr. Obama, who won some of his victories by margins of two to one.

    In Idaho, for example, Mr. Obama’s campaign started setting up nearly a year before the Feb. 5 caucus. By the day of the caucus, he had five offices in the state and 20 paid staff members. A few days before, Mr. Obama himself showed up in Boise, drawing 14,000 people to the Taco Bell Arena, the biggest in the state.

    Mrs. Clinton, by contrast, sent one of her supporters, Senator Maria Cantwell of neighboring Washington State, to drop by just before the caucuses.

    “Idahoans are not used to having attention paid, so when someone does, it’s a huge deal,” said Chuck Oxley, a spokesman for the state’s Democratic Party. Turnout in Idaho was four times what it was in 2000. Mr. Obama won Idaho by 62 percentage points and took most delegates.

    In Minnesota, “the Clinton campaign was in triage mode,” said Lawrence Jacobs, a political scientist at the University of Minnesota. He said Mrs. Clinton appeared to have allocated her dwindling resources to New York and California, the biggest prizes in the Feb. 5 contests (and which she won), investing almost nothing in media advertising in Minnesota and leaving her campaign there “like a M.A.S.H. unit.”

    At the same time, Mr. Jacobs said, Mr. Obama “had developed almost a new style of campaigning.”

    “He merges modern campaign technology — he has the list of names, the follow-up effort, all the literature distribution — with these phenomenal rock-arena political revivals,” Mr. Jacobs said. “In a caucus state, it’s formidable.”

    Mr. Obama won Minnesota by 34 percentage points.

    In Washington State, Cathy Allen, a longtime Democratic strategist working for Mrs. Clinton, said the Clinton campaign had worked hard.

    “Our people were there,” Ms. Allen said of caucus day, which was Saturday. “We got more of our people out than ever. They just did more.”

    Mr. Obama won Washington by 36 percentage points.

    Three months before the North Dakota caucuses on Feb. 5, the Obama campaign dispatched a staff member there to begin organizing. The campaign quickly expanded to include 11 full-time staff members, including one person solely for media outreach. And in Utah, in preparation for Feb. 5, Mr. Obama opened an office months before Mrs. Clinton did, said Rob Miller, the vice chairman of the Utah Democratic Party.

    “Hillary did not set foot in the state of Utah,” Mr. Miller said.

    Mr. Obama won both states.

    In Maine, Arden Manning, chairman of the state’s Democratic Party, attributed Mr. Obama’s victory by almost 20 percentage points in Sunday’s caucuses to his superior organization, despite Mrs. Clinton’s apparent advantages with the state’s demographics of older, blue-collar, lower-income voters.

    “A lot of the credit for what happened here goes to the Obama campaign, a grass-roots campaign, that was very well organized, with precinct captains and precinct leaders getting people out,” Mr. Manning said.

    In addition, the Obama campaign was more adept at using the Internet.

    “I got very little from the Clinton side,” said Amy Fried, a political scientist at the University of Maine, who signed up on both campaigns’ Web sites to compare them. “But I got a lot from Obama, urging me to come in and work and telling me about events, just giving me lots more.”

    Mrs. Clinton has had her own share of big victories, like Arizona, California, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, and Tennessee. Yet given the strong lead that she held in national opinion polls for much of 2007, and the image of inevitability that her campaign pushed so ardently, her organizational weaknesses — starting with her third-place finish in the Iowa caucuses — have been notable.

    Guy Cecil, Mrs. Clinton’s field director, told reporters on Wednesday that Mrs. Clinton would not be outmatched again, committing to opening offices and dispatching staff not only to Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania, but also other battlegrounds to come, like Kentucky, Mississippi and even Puerto Rico, which holds the final contest on June 7.

    “We are recommitting and redoubling our efforts to not only have the best candidate in the race, but also have the most effective and largest grass-roots effort in the states going forward,” Mr. Cecil said.

    While both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama are only now expanding their operations in Texas and Ohio, some Clinton advisers expressed concern that she did not have a head start, given the importance of the two states.

    Some Clinton allies and donors worry that Mrs. Clinton has left herself vulnerable after losing so many recent contests, but the candidate herself sounded cockier about her political fortunes on Wednesday than she has in recent memory.

    At a news conference in McAllen, on the Mexican border, she noted that “the depth and breadth of my support is obvious” in South Texas.

    “I want to congratulate Senator Obama on his recent victories and tell him to meet me in Texas — we’re ready,” Mrs. Clinton said.

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    • That article explains very well why Clinton has done so poorly. They ran out of gas after Super Tuesday.

      I think Clinton needs to pull an upset in Wisconsin to get back into contention. Otherwise they have to simmer in the juices of defeat for three weeks. Maybe her campaign is coming around to this view too, but it may be too late. Hillary's not appearing in WI until Saturday.

      My waitress at a diner today said, "I think Obama will be good on health care becasue of his experience with his mom dying of cancer." (That is from the Obama TV ad that has been playing in WI) TV ads work.

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      • Clinton is running an ad in Wisconsin calling out Obama for not agreeing to a debate in Wisconsin. I don't think the ad works with her being in Texas instead of Wisconsin when the ad is running. If she really wants to make an issue of it, she should be spending some time here. Maybe she just figures Texas has more super delegates, and she does better with them than she does with the voters.
        I can't run no more
        With that lawless crowd
        While the killers in high places
        Say their prayers out loud
        But they've summoned, they've summoned up
        A thundercloud
        They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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        • Originally posted by Joemailman
          Clinton is running an ad in Wisconsin calling out Obama for not agreeing to a debate in Wisconsin.
          I haven't seen that ad, but I think its a good idea. I would do some sort of funny ad that catches people's attention rather than directly complaining. People can conclude that Obama is being evasive all on their own, and if the ad is clever it would get mentioned by media. The local press has nothing else to talk about, this is the quietest, most one-sided "battle" I've ever seen.

          Obama has good commercials and they are everywhere.

          Originally posted by Joemailman
          Maybe she just figures Texas has more super delegates, and she does better with them than she does with the voters.
          She's done well with the voters, she's been whacked when counting dedicated loyalists. I read that only 1% of registered democrats participated in the Washington State caucus.
          I suspect Clinton would have rolled easily to the nomination if the voters selected delegates in every state. It could be that Obama has built a popular wave now, though, not sure.

          I won't be shocked if Obama wins every remaining primary. But also think its still possible for Clinton to get nomination.

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          • When the fuck do you folks vote or caucus or whatever the hell you do in the land of the green and gold?
            C.H.U.D.

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            • Originally posted by Freak Out
              When the fuck do you folks vote or caucus or whatever the hell you do in the land of the green and gold?
              We have an unusual system in Wisconsin where they have a different day for different candidates. Clinton voters go to the polls next Tuesday, Obama supporters should report on Wednesday.

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              • Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                Originally posted by Freak Out
                When the fuck do you folks vote or caucus or whatever the hell you do in the land of the green and gold?
                We have an unusual system in Wisconsin where they have a different day for different candidates. Clinton voters go to the polls next Tuesday, Obama supporters should report on Wednesday.
                Get up, get out of here, GONE! Huckleby hit that one WAY out of here, folks!
                [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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                • Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                  Originally posted by Freak Out
                  When the fuck do you folks vote or caucus or whatever the hell you do in the land of the green and gold?
                  We have an unusual system in Wisconsin where they have a different day for different candidates. Clinton voters go to the polls next Tuesday, Obama supporters should report on Wednesday.

                  Do you think the Obama supporters are paying attention?
                  C.H.U.D.

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                  • a lot of Obama supporters are first time voters, it's important to help the next generation.


                    I didn't vote until I was about 30. (Guess I didn't know how to get to polling location from mom & dad's house. )

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                    • Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                      Originally posted by Joemailman
                      Clinton is running an ad in Wisconsin calling out Obama for not agreeing to a debate in Wisconsin.
                      I haven't seen that ad, but I think its a good idea. I would do some sort of funny ad that catches people's attention rather than directly complaining. People can conclude that Obama is being evasive all on their own, and if the ad is clever it would get mentioned by media. The local press has nothing else to talk about, this is the quietest, most one-sided "battle" I've ever seen.

                      Obama has good commercials and they are everywhere.

                      I thought the Clinton ad was mediocre. It wasn't funny, but not very nasty either. I saw it on MSNBC. I'm not sure where it's actually running locally.

                      Originally posted by Joemailman
                      Maybe she just figures Texas has more super delegates, and she does better with them than she does with the voters.
                      She's done well with the voters, she's been whacked when counting dedicated loyalists. I read that only 1% of registered democrats participated in the Washington State caucus.
                      I suspect Clinton would have rolled easily to the nomination if the voters selected delegates in every state. It could be that Obama has built a popular wave now, though, not sure.

                      I won't be shocked if Obama wins every remaining primary. But also think its still possible for Clinton to get nomination.
                      Obama leads in the popular vote 9.3 to 8.6 million without Florida; 9.9 to 9.5 million with Florida.
                      I can't run no more
                      With that lawless crowd
                      While the killers in high places
                      Say their prayers out loud
                      But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                      A thundercloud
                      They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                      • Originally posted by Joemailman
                        Obama leads in the popular vote 9.3 to 8.6 million without Florida; 9.9 to 9.5 million with Florida.
                        ya, but a popular vote wasn't taken in half the states.

                        to change the subject, electability is hard to measure by a national poll comparing Clinton or Obama with McCain. Obama's numbers are bolstered by non-democrats in red states that are useless votes. What matters most is which candidate can win big swing states like Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin, etc.

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                        • The total includes the popular vote in all but 4 caucus states. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ote_count.html
                          I can't run no more
                          With that lawless crowd
                          While the killers in high places
                          Say their prayers out loud
                          But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                          A thundercloud
                          They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                          • Originally posted by Joemailman
                            The total includes the popular vote in all but 4 caucus states. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ote_count.html
                            what does "popular vote in a caucus state" mean? there is no popular vote, just caucus voters counting as popular vote, I suppose. the caucus voters are not good indicators of true popular support. they exaggerate Obama's edge.

                            Clinton would have a lot of delegate momentum after Super Tuesday if Obama hadn't picked-up such a trove of caucus delegates. It would be a very different race.

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                            • I heard on Air America that John Edwards will be in WI Saturday to endorse Clinton.

                              I'll believe it when I see it.

                              Though he sometimes aligned himself with Obama — and against Clinton — as a candidate, several Edwards campaign insiders say the former senator began to sour on Obama toward the end of his own campaign, and ultimately left the race questioning whether Obama had the toughness needed to prevail in a presidential race.

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                              • Wisconsin Should Be a Showdown
                                The case for expecting Clinton to thrive in the green-eyeshade state.
                                By Jeff Greenfield, Friday, Feb. 15, 2008

                                On the night she fell victim to Potomac primary fever, Hillary Clinton was in El Paso, Texas. Her campaign promised that the Lone Star State, along with Ohio, would make March 4 the day Obamamentum was stopped in its tracks.

                                No mention of Wisconsin, where Barack Obama was that night and where the last primary before the March 4 showdown will be held on Tuesday. Why not?

                                Judging by the state's demographics and by its political history, Wisconsin ought to be prime territory for a strong Clinton showing. Indeed, its potential for Hillary is so promising that it's worth pondering whether the "on to Texas and Ohio!" battle cry of her campaign might be one huge head fake, designed to turn a strong Clinton showing—much less a victory—into one of those "Oh my God, what a shocker!" reactions that changes the whole tenor of the political conversation. Clinton is spending three days in Wisconsin before the vote, but her campaign says that's to ensure she gets as many delegates as possible, avoiding the kind of blowout that has cost her in the delegate count since Super Tuesday.

                                Obama is supposed to win Wisconsin because it's the home of modern progressivism, not to mention a perennially juiced-up student population and ground zero for the kind of "challenge to the system" campaign that Obama exemplifies. Well, yes and no. It's true that Madison—the home of the University of Wisconsin, where I more or less studied some time ago—is a town that appears at times to search the world for sister-city compacts it can form with leftist nations. And Wisconsin is the state that, a century ago, Gov. and then Sen. Robert La Follette turned into a laboratory for ideas like workers' compensation and the income tax that helped inspire the New Deal.

                                But that's only one side of the state. At the end of the 20th century, Wisconsin's principal political ideas were tax cuts, school choice, and welfare reform, championed by long-serving Republican Gov. Tommy Thompson. The state has been far more purple than blue in recent presidential elections: Gore beat Bush by only 5,000 votes in 2000; four years later, John Kerry edged out Bush by 1 percent of the vote.

                                Even within the Democratic Party, there's more complexity than unvarnished liberalism. Sen. Herbert Kohl votes a moderate-to-liberal line, according to the Almanac of American Politics; he supported the Bush tax cuts in 2001. Russ Feingold is rightly regarded as an ardent liberal on matters such as civil liberties and foreign policy, but he's also a deficit hawk and has angered liberals with votes to confirm John Ashcroft as attorney general and John Roberts as chief justice. (And remember Sen. William Proxmire, who during his long service from the late 1950s to the late 1980s invented the "Golden Fleece" awards for wasteful federal spending projects—the sort of award more likely to warm the hearts of the Chamber of Commerce than the AFL-CIO.) That kind of green-eyeshade liberalism seems well-suited to a figure like Clinton, who stresses her credentials as a detail-oriented, policy-wonk problem solver.

                                In Wisconsin, according to exit polls from the 2004 presidential primary, 57 percent of the voters called themselves moderates or conservatives. Seventy-five percent had incomes of $75,000 a year or less; 50 percent earned less than $50,000 a year. A third of the voters were Catholic. More than half had no college education and more than one in five were union members. This is the kind of electorate Clinton is counting on in Ohio and, in April, in Pennsylvania, because it's the electorate that favored her up until Obama's big victories in Maryland and Virginia.

                                True, there are countervailing factors. Wisconsin is a wide-open primary, and with John McCain now the presumptive nominee, independent and Republican crossovers may weigh in on the Democratic side of the ticket. (They made up nearly 30 percent of the 2004 primary vote.) Obama has the support of Gov. Jim Doyle and—perhaps more significant—the support of longtime Rep. David Obey, originally a John Edwards backer. Obey has been one of the strongest voices against the free-trade policies that so anger the unions.

                                But if the hopes of Sen. Clinton rest on the votes of white working-class voters, Wisconsin ought to be fertile ground for a campaign reset. Conversely, if Obama can produce another February blowout—in a primary state with a tiny African-American population—that will tell us something as well. After all, if Clinton cannot rally the beer-drinking Democrats in the state that gave us Pabst, Schlitz, and Miller, where can she?

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