Wisconsin Primary

[MJZiggy]

So a history of genocide and mass killing isn't enough for you? They didn't find any nukes because Sadam declared anything he didn't want searched a "palace" and thus the UN was not allowed to search. The fact of the matter is this. The intelligence thought it was a threat. Maybe our intelligence was bad because the libs decided to get rid of any sort of defense budget we had?!? I don't have the knowledge to know that but you don't know that that wasn't the case. All we know is what the tell us, and that is exactly what they have told us.

So you're trying to tell me it is NOT a good idea to stop crazy joe with an assault rifle coming into a school simply because he hasn't hurt anyone yet? Jesus christ...

There was genocide and mass killing going on there for decades, but Hussein was running a secular government that did not allow extremists. They didn't find any nukes after they invaded either and Saddam didn't have sufficient time to get rid of that kind of evidence. Sorry don't buy it. And AGAIN, if you want me to believe that Clinton cut the defense budget, you're gonna have to show me even the article that says it happened because I recall no such thing. You're making shit up based on what you think Democrats might do. Try basing your logic in fact. It works better. The fact is that I do read the news and they report on crazy shit like the Federal Budget, (which used to be in much better shape by the way).

The article about the Republicans being pissed off about him cutting spending will be there (and if you wanna tell me you don't have time to look it up, then just quit spewing about something you know nothing about. It's that simple).

YOU DON'T START SHOOTING AT AN IDIOT WITH A GUN INSIDE A SCHOOL. You lock the school down the way you're supposed to and make sure the children are safe. The police that handle this shit are trained to do so. YOU DO NOT OPEN FIRE IN A SCHOOL UNLESS YOU LIKE DEAD CHILDREN. I am personally against dead children and have been in the school for a Code Red and a Code Blue. Learn what the fuck you're talking about BEFORE you talk.

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There was genocide and mass killing going on there for decades, but Hussein was running a secular government that did not allow extremists. They didn't find any nukes after they invaded either and Saddam didn't have sufficient time to get rid of that kind of evidence. Sorry don't buy it. And AGAIN, if you want me to believe that Clinton cut the defense budget, you're gonna have to show me even the article that says it happened because I recall no such thing. You're making shit up based on what you think Democrats might do. Try basing your logic in fact. It works better. The fact is that I do read the news and they report on crazy shit like the Federal Budget, (which used to be in much better shape by the way).

Are you kidding me??? Sufficient time??!?? We had weapons inspectors there for many, many months unallowed to enter any building he deemed a palace. How many reports did we read about how futile it was because anywhere where they wanted to get in and look they were not able to?

Clinton balanced the budget by getting rid of the excess defense money from the desert storm years. Look it up yourself. It's a commonly accepted fact.

As for time, how long does it take to sell a nuke to a terrorist? Hell, put that thing on craigslist and its gone in 5 minutes regardless of cost . You're ignorant if you don't think terrorists groups have nukes, and you're even more ignorant if you don't think Iraq had nuclear weapons.

YOU DON'T START SHOOTING AT AN IDIOT WITH A GUN INSIDE A SCHOOL. You lock the school down the way you're supposed to and make sure the children are safe. The police that handle this shit are trained to do so. YOU DO NOT OPEN FIRE IN A SCHOOL UNLESS YOU LIKE DEAD CHILDREN. I am personally against dead children and have been in the school for a Code Red and a Code Blue. Learn what the fuck you're talking about BEFORE you talk.

No one is suggesting you shoot him. You go and inspect. If he doesn't let you look into his locker where the gun is, you need to use force at that point. We didn't kill Sadam, we used force and detained him when he didn't let us look in his proverbial locker. No one is suggesting anyone getting shot. By not detaining the kid you're allowing a class room full of dead children, though. I hope this proves my point of sometimes force is necessary when it is to save America lives.

[BallHawk]

I agree. Until they harbor nuclear weapons, fund the terrorist organizations that have attacked us, bombed our battle ships, etc. Sadam would blow your ass up in a heart beat if given the chance

Bombed our battleships? Are you kidding me? Do you think the Iraqis blew up the USS Cole?

It keeps on getting funner and funner.

[MJZiggy]

Focusing on problems here would be defending your home turf. Gay rights and universal health care are going to seem very trivial if a million americans are killed in an attack because the defense money was allocated to health care.

You do realize that most all of the defense budget (under our Republican president) is being allocated to a war instead of protecting the homeland...

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Focusing on problems here would be defending your home turf. Gay rights and universal health care are going to seem very trivial if a million americans are killed in an attack because the defense money was allocated to health care.

You do realize that most all of the defense budget (under our Republican president) is being allocated to a war instead of protecting the homeland...

Not true. Boarders are far more secure than they were before. They're fighting a war as a pre-emptive strike. It's a way to secure the country. I don't even consider it a war. We're not going in there to kill anyone unless they attack us first. We're there to inspect and detain. Unless I am mistaken I don't believe US Troops fire unless fired upon. Furthermore, knowing that we're just trying to inspect and protect our families from terrorist attacks, why won't they let us inspect and be on our way? If they have nothing to hide why shoot and kill Americans.

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Furthermore, whats done is done. Wouldn't it be very unliberal and very irresponsible to pull out now leaving a country in shambles?!?

[MJZiggy]

I'm not talking politics with you any more. I can have a discussion with a knowledgeable Republican without difficulty but only when they have a clear understanding of what's actually going on in the world. Pick up a paper or read a news website or something.

[BallHawk]

Furthermore, whats done is done. Wouldn't it be very unliberal and very irresponsible to pull out now leaving a country in shambles?!?

Definitely, especially with all the progress the country is making.

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I'm not talking politics with you any more. I can have a discussion with a knowledgeable Republican without difficulty but only when they have a clear understanding of what's actually going on in the world. Pick up a paper or read a news website or something.

I'm not the delusional one. You're the one that thinks they know more than the entire defense department!!!!!

[Zool]

Not true. Boarders are far more secure than they were before. They're fighting a war as a pre-emptive strike. It's a way to secure the country.

Partial FTL. If you think this 'war' isn't (pardon the pun) fueled by oil greed, then you need to start mashing you head against something hard.

911 was done by a guy in Pakistan so we invade Iraq. Why? Because they have WPM thats why.

What? We didn't find any? Hmm...well lets hang out for a while and see if we cant dig some up.

Here's a hint, people on TV can and do lie to further their own agenda.

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Furthermore, whats done is done. Wouldn't it be very unliberal and very irresponsible to pull out now leaving a country in shambles?!?

Definitely, especially with all the progress the country is making.

So you're willing to give up on a bunch of people?!?!? Isn't that what I am saying about all the thugs and gangbangers??!? Christ, how hypocritical is that!

What about kids who don't make as much progress in school? Simply because something takes a little more time and effort we should consider it a lost cause and give up on it?

God damnit, this stuff just pisses me off. You are one hypocritical 13 year old. No wonder you support Obama.

I can understand Zig and her personal agenda that would be fulfilled with an expanded role of federal government, but not you. If anything, your upper middle class family will be the one that suffers.

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Not true. Boarders are far more secure than they were before. They're fighting a war as a pre-emptive strike. It's a way to secure the country.

Partial FTL. If you think this 'war' isn't (pardon the pun) fueled by oil greed, then you need to start mashing you head against something hard.

911 was done by a guy in Pakistan so we invade Iraq. Why? Because they have WPM thats why.

What? We didn't find any? Hmm...well lets hang out for a while and see if we cant dig some up.

Here's a hint, people on TV can and do lie to further their own agenda.

Our intelligence stated that they had Nukes. I realize its easy to play armchair quarterback, but you're just an average joe who works a 9-5, who are you to make a statement regarding national security and the intelligence that they have gathered? Really, you have no more idea than I do or anyone else does who hasn't seen the documents. I, for one, don't immediately think that because our intelligence was wrong that the government is a bunch of liars.

Furthermore, we have plenty of oil of our own. Most of our oil is from Canada anyway. To say that it is about oil is again making an assumption without any basis to back it up. I reiterate, you can't blame bush for following what his intelligence tells him to do. That blame falls solely on Slick Willy and his budget balancing technique of getting rid of national defense.

[BallHawk]

What about kids who don't make as much progress in school? Simply because something takes a little more time and effort we should consider it a lost cause and give up on it?

Um, Partial, the kids that don't make progress in school aren't detonating mentally disabled people in the middle of markets. The kids that struggle in school don't kill innocent civilians. People don't die because the kids struggle in school. Nice comparison.

Yeah, we do need to give up on it. Why we have to go around the world going around the world trying to make every country a clone of us is beyond me. Hoorah Democracy! Democracy for everyone!

If anything, your upper middle class family will be the one that suffers.

And here you come, making assumptions about people's families. I'm far from upper middle class. My Mom works full-time, my Dad is trying to start up his own business. We don't take vacations, we don't drive new cars, and we don't go around spending money on luxuries.

So, please, stop making assumptions about my life, asswipe, because you don't have a fucking clue.

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Um, Partial, the kids that don't make progress in school aren't detonating mentally disabled people in the middle of markets. The kids that struggle in school don't kill innocent civilians. People don't die because the kids struggle in school. Nice comparison.

Yeah, we do need to give up on it. Why we have to go around the world going around the world trying to make every country a clone of us is beyond me. Hoorah Democracy! Democracy for everyone!

Wait wait wait, so you want to leave these people to run around and blow up Americans rather than continue fixing their broken system?

And here you come, making assumptions about people's families. I'm far from upper middle class. My Mom works full-time, my Dad is trying to start up his own business. We don't take vacations, we don't drive new cars, and we don't go around spending money on luxuries.

So, please, stop making assumptions about my life, asswipe, because you don't have a fucking clue.

OK, so I was wrong because your dad quit his job. With that in mind, how can you support bigger government taxing the hell out of your dads business. Get ready to pay double social security (which you have to now as a business owner) and double health care in the future. 50% of the money your pops makes will go right back into the system, paying my high school educated friend 93k a year.

For the record, I did not support going into Iraq, but to say the evidence wasn't there and the government is a bunch of liars is moronic. If you're going to go around calling people liars without any facts supporting your statement, then you should start pointing your fingers at the democrats. After all, wasn't it President Clinton who was convicted of lying under oath.

Clearly they had a reason to do it and it turns out their intelligence was wrong. It happens. If Clinton hadn't cut the defense budget who knows, our intelligence probably would have been more accurate. Regardless, I am all for doing whats necessary to keep myself and my family safe.

[BallHawk]

Wait wait wait, so you want to leave these people to run around and blow up Americans rather than continue fixing their broken system?

They weren't blowing up Americans before we invaded them, were they? The violence in Iraq is resistance fighting. None of the insurgents in Iraq would be capable of pulling off anything close to 9/11.

So, yes, let them run around in their country and let them do whatever they please. They weren't bothering us before we invaded them and if we leave I doubt they'd bother us either. Hell, look at Basra. Although it was under British control, the citizens were overjoyed to see the British pull out. The city went to hell once troops got there. The media spins it to seem like every Iraqi walks up to an American soldier with an outstretched hand to say thank you. I think a large amount of Iraqis wish we were never there in the first place.

OK, so I was wrong because your dad quit his job.

No, that's not the reason you were wrong. You were wrong because you made assumptions. My family has never, at any point, been upper-middle class.