Wisconsin Primary

[Tyrone Bigguns]

McCain is a powerhouse of a candidate because he'll still get the republican votes yet steal some of the democrats.

Really, Partial?

Well, he's going to have to steal a helluva lot of Democrats to make up for the number of conservatives that are going to be sitting at home on election day.

Ballhawk, arent' you in High School?

Depends who you ask.

If you ask me I'm a 9th grader at Gulf Coast High School.

If you ask some other people I'm a confused 40-something.

Take your pick.

Well, either way you show some ability to think, and admit when you've missed something.

BTW, there is little chance Clark will be VP. He brings no voters to the table.

I still think Hillary wins the nom and takes barack as vp. Or could be vice versa.

Either way, it makes the prez assination proof. Kill barack and they are left with hillary.

Potential candidates:

Richardson: solidifies the latino vote and adds geographic diversity. negs, to close to the bill clinton era.

Mark Warner or Evan Bayh to play it middle of the road.

Rahm emannuel.

[BallHawk]

I still think Hillary wins the nom and takes barack as vp. Or could be vice versa.

I could see Hillary picking Obama as her VP. Helps her solidify the black vote and she picks up some of the younger crowd. However, I'm not sure how happy a lot of these first-time voters will be voting for their guy who ended up getting 2nd place.

If Obama gets the nomination he'd have no need for Hillary, IMO. She'd bring him the Hispanic vote, but the type of people she attracts will be at the polls, regardless of who the candidate is. Obama would be better picking a guy like Biden that makes up for the areas that he lacks in (foreign policy, namely).

Still, it remains to be seen whether any of the two are willing to accept 2nd.

[SkinBasket]

Ballhawk, arent' you in High School?

Depends who you ask.

If you ask me I'm a 9th grader at Gulf Coast High School.

If you ask some other people I'm a confused 40-something.

Take your pick.

I'm a 3rd grader at Showme Yourcock Elementary, so you know which one I pick.

[4and12to12and4]

I am not a republican or a democrat but I'd like to see Hillary win because it would be unbelievable for us to have a woman president. even though i'd hate for bill to be the first first man. Hilary yells alot and reminds me of my exwife so she would be good for me to watch at night while i fall asleep, hearing her yelling would make me feel at home. LOL. I'd vote for the black guy if he was REALLY black.


Where is Ross Perot when you need him?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Still, it remains to be seen whether any of the two are willing to accept 2nd.

Huckabee said today that the VP is the job that everybody says they don't want but nobody turns it down. A lot of truth to that.
Whether either nominee would ask the other is a big question. All in all, a long shot.

I'm afraid this close contest, with all the disputed delegates, is going to produce bad blood. I know I can already hardly stand to look at JoeMailman

[Joemailman]

What could be more undemocratic than the super delegates reversing the wishes of the voters? It sounds like maybe you want the super delegates to hand Hillary a victory she can't win with the voters.

Well, first all, the "wishes of the voters" are not well indicated by all the caucus states that he won. I suspect Hillary would win the popular vote handily if full primary elections were held in all states.

I agree that superdelegates are undemocratic. Excluding the Florida voters was also undemocratic. Caucuses are undemocratic. All the chicanery is stupid.

The Super Delegates ARE voters. They should be able to vote any way they want, whenever they want, and by the rules they count as much as the pledge delegates.
Hillary wins if she gets the most delegates, super + pledge combined, and I certainly would expect Barak supporters to respect that result.

You don't think the rules should be changed midstream, do you?

Well, of course there are no rules regarding how super delegates vote. They certainly can vote any way they want. I think it would not be wise for them to hand the nomination to a candidate who received a clear minority of the delegates from the primaries and caucuses. The only way they should do that, in my opinion, would be if there were special circumstances, such as a scandal, which would make a candidate clearly unelectable.

Obama leads in delegates from primaries and caucuses 981-910.

You would think that would be a solid number, but different news organizations have different totals. I saw two with Hillary ahead.

I think the news organizations showing Clinton ahead are using estimates of super delegates who have verbally committed to one candidate or the other. She is ahead in that regard. After this past weekend, I think Obama is clearly ahead in delegates from primaries and caucuses.

[Harlan Huckleby]

They certainly can vote any way they want. I think it would not be wise for them to hand the nomination to a candidate who received a clear minority of the delegates from the primaries and caucuses. The only way they should do that, in my opinion, would be if there were special circumstances, such as a scandal, which would make a candidate clearly unelectable.

You contradict yourself. You say they are free to vote any way they want. Then you say just as long as they rubber stamp what the pledge delegates decide.

Reminds me of women: they don't care a bit about penis size just as long as it is large.

When it comes to Super Delegates, there is no "they". Each super delegate makes a judgement. If most of those individuals think Clinton is more qualified to be President, I think you should just respect their decisions.

I think Obama has made two crude moves in this campaign: 1) when he said that Clinton's comments about MArtin Luther King were troubling, 2) recently he said it will be problematic if the super delegates don't agree with the pledged delegates. Both comments are designed to stoke feelings of victimization and invite accusations.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Dear Obama Supporters:

Please list 3 people you would rather see become president than Obama.

I suggest if you find this difficult or impossible, you may be a member of a cult of personality.

(A good friend of mine, a kindly 85-year-old lady/next door neighbor, always says that Jesus Christ is the source of her hope. That has always been her word, hope.)

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Dear Obama Supporters:

Please list 3 people you would rather see become president than Obama.

I suggest if you find this difficult or impossible, you may be a member of a cult of personality.

(A good friend of mine, a kindly 85-year-old lady/next door neighbor, always says that Jesus Christ is the source of her hope. That has always been her word, hope.)

1. The head keebler elf. If he can run a company out of a tree, he can run a country.

2. Santa Claus. If anybody can unite the parties, it is Santa. Plus, who wouldn't love to see a man in a red suit meet foreign dignataries.

3. George Clinton. One nation under a groove. 'nuff said.

[sooner6600]

3 people


a) Ron Paul
B Less Paul
c)Barbara McCullsky

[MJZiggy]

(A good friend of mine, a kindly 85-year-old lady/next door neighbor, always says that Jesus Christ is the source of her hope. That has always been her word, hope.)

Depends what she's hoping for--question is, is the kindly neighbor happy?

See, I can't vote in the primaries, so what I'm hoping for is that y'all give me someone to vote for who's not an idiot like the last guy we had in office.

(and for the record, in the 2K election, I lived in Maryland, voted in Florida (because we'd just moved and were still registered there) by absentee and want it noted that I had my chad until we moved into this house and it got lost in the move. And I was gonna have it framed, too.)

[rdanomly]

I still think Hillary wins the nom and takes barack as vp. Or could be vice versa.

I could see Hillary picking Obama as her VP. Helps her solidify the black vote and she picks up some of the younger crowd. However, I'm not sure how happy a lot of these first-time voters will be voting for their guy who ended up getting 2nd place.

If Obama gets the nomination he'd have no need for Hillary, IMO. She'd bring him the Hispanic vote, but the type of people she attracts will be at the polls, regardless of who the candidate is. Obama would be better picking a guy like Biden that makes up for the areas that he lacks in (foreign policy, namely).

Still, it remains to be seen whether any of the two are willing to accept 2nd.

I doubt it would happen, but being stuck here in the Hoosier state, I would be pretty psyched about Obama reaching out to Sen. Lugar. He's got tons of credibility, has done quite a bit with non-proliferation, and is little 'c' conservative, not bull shitting, 'C' conservative. I think our country needs some big ideas, but there are also tough decisions (read: cuts in funding for non-performing/under performing programs) that a rational fiscal conservative would be well suited to work with a pie in the sky big thinker/dreamer. Just some thoughts from an out-of-stater.

[Harlan Huckleby]

(A good friend of mine, a kindly 85-year-old lady/next door neighbor, always says that Jesus Christ is the source of her hope. That has always been her word, hope.)

Depends what she's hoping for--question is, is the kindly neighbor happy?

She's as happy as a moonie. As serene as Tyrone with a fat crack rock.

She's a very together person, I understand that religion can be good for people. And one can't help but notice how cheerful Ballhawk has been since he invited Barack into his heart.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I would be pretty psyched about Obama reaching out to Sen. Lugar. He's got tons of credibility

That would be an awesome choice. Too good to be true, tho.

It's interesting to note that Obama currently has support among republicans AND among moveon.org types. How can this be?

[The Leaper]

It's interesting to note that Obama currently has support among republicans AND among moveon.org types. How can this be?

Because few republicans realize that Obama is a far left liberal. He's never been put under a serious evaluation in the media in terms of his views and agenda.

Most Americans want change...not just from Bush, but all the political crooks in Washington. Obama has touted change as his goal. That brings a lot of people to support you before they actually have to vote for you.

Obama, however, has very little practical experience in actually making change happen in Washington. If he becomes the nominee, his record and experience are going to be heavily attacked in a presidential campaign...items which he has been able to avoid to this point, outside of Bill Clinton diatribes.

By the time November rolls around, there won't be many Republicans supporting Obama/Hillary or many Democrats supporting McCain. The battleground will be over the moderates...which is why McCain actually stands a chance against whoever the Dems put out there.