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Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
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Sounds like it will be a compromise backroom deal. Hillary will get half of the delegate plurality she would have gotten if delegates had been apportioned based on the primary vote. That is what MSNBC is saying.I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
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There are about 12 parties to this negotiation, and I would guess 11 of them find this to be just fine. Hillary needs a vote in June much more than a few delegates. The way I see it, (cue Jeremiah) THEY'RE RIDIN HER DIRTY!Originally posted by JoemailmanComment
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No revote means the end of the line for Hillary 08.
Queen Pelosi and every Obama voice (except Joemailman) says they won't abide Hillary in the VP chair.
I saw a survey of Democrats that showed only 20% would support a shared ticked regardless of who was on top. 20% would not vote democratic party if Obama was on top. 40% would not vote democratic if Hillary was on top. It was an online survey, skewed towards zealots and punks, but still.
It's over. Time to think of the future.Comment
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When you go to your first Democrats For McCain rally, be sure to say hi to Hillary.
On second thought, there may be hope for Hillary yet.
I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard CohenComment
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Hey, it occurs to me that I'm a McCain man, and I cast a cross-over vote for Hillary. So I can't be too critical of others.
I doubt that the Republican mischief makers had a huge impact, but they had some effect. Some Republicans voting for Obama now will abandon him in the fall too, even if they are a degree more sincere.
NY Times reports that Obama will likely oppose a revote in Michigan, the rationale being that some of his supporters voted republican in the primary, and are therefore ineligible for a revote.
There is some justification to this, but mainly he is killing the revote because it benefits his opponent. A guy from the MI legislature says they will wait a day or two for his buy-in.
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Clinton has been treated shabbily by the Obama half of the Democratic Party. ( Obama himself made a couple gaffs, but he & his campaign have been above board. ) The Obama followers have been very dirty, they don't see the damage they did and only blame Clinton for splitting the party. Pelosi has been a disgrace.Originally posted by Joemailman
I'd like to see a McCain-Clinton ticket, will put out feelers to the group and HRC at first meeting.Comment
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If McCain were to pick Hillary, I would fear for his life at the convention.I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard CohenComment
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We'll probably have to form a new party. (Note to self: make sure there are extra Ladies Rooms at convention hall, no shortage of incontinent 50+ women.)Originally posted by JoemailmanComment
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Originally posted by Joemailman
That would be a couple of steps below her last White House gig.Comment
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Rush Limbaugh said that Hillary is sitting in her hotel room watching Obama's speech, and hearing the news that revotes in MI & FL are a lost cause, and wailing, "I'm melting, I'm melting!"
I think I'm going to like mixing with the Republicans better than I thought.
I doubt Clinton will agree to any delegate deal on either MI or FL. Since Obama pushed a 50-50 deal that nullifies the voters, and now that he has worked to deep-six legitimate revotes, Clinton's position to count the earlier votes manages to be relatively less evil. Counting the January vote is now the least unfair option. At worst, she can plant in the Superdelegates' minds that the numbers from MI & FL should be factored.
Clinton gains the most from defending the voters, and the coming train wreck only works to her favor.
I hear the train a comin'
It's rollin' 'round the bend,
Bringin the worst shitstorm
Since, I don't know when
Dems went with Tony Robbins,
And time keeps draggin' on,
But that train keeps a-rollin',
On down to denver townComment
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Obama will pay a big price for blocking the revotes in MI & FL. It wasn't totally his fault, but it's going to be played that way in the coming 6 months. Obama is now just another grubby politician.
Hillary is in MI today giving a Civil Rights speech. She's invoking the long struggle to gain vote for blacks and women. (Subtext: and now it's all taken away by that politician with the innocent face, fancy way with words, and lust for power.)
This is disaster for the democrats, and it's Howard Dean's fault. You can't expect the candidates to fairly renegotiate an election midstream, and they were blackmailed into signing the original pledge. Death to Howard Dean.Comment
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I sure wish Democrats could figure out how to fucking vote one of these elections.Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
You managed to fit lust and blackmail into another political post Harlan. I'm disappointed you left out "hypocracy" though."You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - PartialComment
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I don't think your heart was in that comment. I'm not feeling the passion.Originally posted by SkinBasket
Zing! Got me good, again.Originally posted by SkinBasket
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I don't think I want you feeling my passion.Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby"You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - PartialComment
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New national gallup poll numbers:
Clinton 49 Obama 42
McCain 48 Clinton 45
McCain 47 Obama 43
I hear that train a comin
It's coming round the bendComment
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