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  • Originally posted by Scott Campbell
    If Obama truly sucks, at least the Republicans would get a shot at beating him in 4 years.
    ya, but if you go with McCain, he'll probably be dead then. go for the surer bet for change.

    Obama is not going to truly suck. He will be a good president someday I expect. McCain is a better man, certainly right now.

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    • Originally posted by packinpatland
      Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
      Originally posted by packinpatland
      I don't want to sound like one of the polls.......but the only way I would vote for McCain right now, was if he were running against Hillary......
      I think Obama might be your guy. You seem a little downbeat about politics, and Barack's just the guy to give you a little pep in your step.

      Yes you can!
      You are the one you've been waiting for, you are the change you seek!
      'Downbeat'? That's an understatment..........I'm ready to suggest we pull a 'Dave' off the street and put him/her in office.
      I was thinking the same thing....he was far to practical for the American people though.
      C.H.U.D.

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      • The Long Defeat
        By DAVID BROOKS
        Published: March 25, 2008

        Hillary Clinton may not realize it yet, but she’s just endured one of the worst weeks of her campaign.

        Barack Obama weathered the Rev. Jeremiah Wright affair without serious damage to his nomination prospects. Obama still holds a tiny lead among Democrats nationally in the Gallup tracking poll, just as he did before this whole affair blew up.

        Second, Obama’s lawyers successfully prevented re-votes in Florida and Michigan. That means it would be virtually impossible for Clinton to take a lead in either elected delegates or total primary votes.

        Third, as Noam Scheiber of The New Republic has reported, most superdelegates have accepted Nancy Pelosi’s judgment that the winner of the elected delegates should get the nomination. Instead of lining up behind Clinton, they’re drifting away. Her lead among them has shrunk by about 60 in the past month, according to Avi Zenilman of Politico.com.

        In short, Hillary Clinton’s presidential prospects continue to dim. The door is closing. Night is coming. The end, however, is not near.

        Last week, an important Clinton adviser told Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen (also of Politico) that Clinton had no more than a 10 percent chance of getting the nomination. Now, she’s probably down to a 5 percent chance.

        Five percent.

        Let’s take a look at what she’s going to put her party through for the sake of that 5 percent chance: The Democratic Party is probably going to have to endure another three months of daily sniping. For another three months, we’ll have the Carvilles likening the Obamaites to Judas and former generals accusing Clintonites of McCarthyism. For three months, we’ll have the daily round of résumé padding and sulfurous conference calls. We’ll have campaign aides blurting “blue dress” and only-because-he’s-black references as they let slip their private contempt.

        For three more months (maybe more!) the campaign will proceed along in its Verdun-like pattern. There will be a steady rifle fire of character assassination from the underlings, interrupted by the occasional firestorm of artillery when the contest touches upon race, gender or patriotism. The policy debates between the two have been long exhausted, so the only way to get the public really engaged is by poking some raw national wound.

        For the sake of that 5 percent, this will be the sourest spring. About a fifth of Clinton and Obama supporters now say they wouldn’t vote for the other candidate in the general election. Meanwhile, on the other side, voters get an unobstructed view of the Republican nominee. John McCain’s approval ratings have soared 11 points. He is now viewed positively by 67 percent of Americans. A month ago, McCain was losing to Obama among independents by double digits in a general election matchup. Now McCain has a lead among this group.

        For three more months, Clinton is likely to hurt Obama even more against McCain, without hurting him against herself. And all this is happening so she can preserve that 5 percent chance.

        When you step back and think about it, she is amazing. She possesses the audacity of hopelessness.

        Why does she go on like this? Does Clinton privately believe that Obama is so incompetent that only she can deliver the policies they both support? Is she simply selfish, and willing to put her party through agony for the sake of her slender chance? Are leading Democrats so narcissistic that they would create bitter stagnation even if they were granted one-party rule?

        The better answer is that Clinton’s long rear-guard action is the logical extension of her relentlessly political life.

        For nearly 20 years, she has been encased in the apparatus of political celebrity. Look at her schedule as first lady and ever since. Think of the thousands of staged events, the tens of thousands of times she has pretended to be delighted to see someone she doesn’t know, the hundreds of thousands times she has recited empty clichés and exhortatory banalities, the millions of photos she has posed for in which she is supposed to appear empathetic or tough, the billions of politically opportune half-truths that have bounced around her head.

        No wonder the Clinton campaign feels impersonal. It’s like a machine for the production of politics. It plows ahead from event to event following its own iron logic. The only question is whether Clinton herself can step outside the apparatus long enough to turn it off and withdraw voluntarily or whether she will force the rest of her party to intervene and jam the gears.

        If she does the former, she would surprise everybody with a display of self-sacrifice. Her campaign would cruise along at a lower register until North Carolina, then use that as an occasion to withdraw. If she does not, she would soldier on doggedly, taking down as many allies as necessary.

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        • Fight Hillary, fight!!!

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          • Originally posted by Scott Campbell
            Fight Hillary, fight!!!
            Another McCain man checks in. Man, this is a big tent.

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            • Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
              Originally posted by Scott Campbell
              Fight Hillary, fight!!!
              Another McCain man checks in. Man, this is a big tent.
              Got room for more?
              Go PACK

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              • At least this guy earned his stripes.

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                • I can say without exaggeration that public radio (national & WI) spent four days hyperventilating over Barack Obama's Great Speech. Today they changed the subject:

                  Does John McCain Get Favorable Coverage from the Media?

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                  • Originally posted by Bossman641
                    Got room for more?
                    The McCain Train is always looking for new riders, Big Bossman.

                    So far, there's Freaky, since he's an unwitting conscript I won't dwell on him. I speak for disaffected Democrats. Madtown is typical of minorities who hate blacks. And of course Scott is a voice for the idle rich.

                    What can you bring to the party?

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                    • .......damn, I wanta be the 'idle rich'.........

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                      • Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                        I speak for disaffected Democrats.

                        Disaffected Demmocrats? Sounds like codespeak for the the entitled underachievers.

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                        • Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                          And of course Scott is a voice for the idle rich.

                          I really don't speak for anybody but Scott.

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                          • Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                            Originally posted by Bossman641
                            Got room for more?
                            The McCain Train is always looking for new riders, Big Bossman.

                            So far, there's Freaky, since he's an unwitting conscript I won't dwell on him. I speak for disaffected Democrats. Madtown is typical of minorities who hate blacks. And of course Scott is a voice for the idle rich.

                            What can you bring to the party?
                            I could take Mac being the Chief when I could never take Dubya....but I'm not voting for him. Of course in Alaska the Republican candidate will win anyway...unless Obama comes out for opening ANWR. Then I would vote for Mac.
                            C.H.U.D.

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                            • Obama Girl releases new video. Stop The Attacks!

                              I can't run no more
                              With that lawless crowd
                              While the killers in high places
                              Say their prayers out loud
                              But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                              A thundercloud
                              They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                              • She can't sing, but who cares.

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