Wisconsin Primary

[Harlan Huckleby]

Therein lies the problem...."based on news reports".

I followed this story like a crazed maniac, reading Michigan and Florida newspapers for snippets of details. Now I'm back on the lithium. I really do know of what I speak.

Umm, it is much more complicated than I portrayed, and I have exaggerated Obama's culpability. Even with Obama's full support, it's quite possible that the revotes would have collapsed anyway. Many politicians in Obama's position would have done the same.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Gallup reports today that 28% of Hillary Clinton supporters plan on voting for McCain in the fall if Obama is the nominee.

If only 10% follow-through on their intentions, Obama is up shit's creek.

The feedback I get from Obama Nation is that the fat Clinton people can just go to hell. They taunt Clinton people, say they don't care if they vote for McCain because they are irrelevant compared to all the new voters that Obama is drawing.

I picture kids looking around their college campus, thinking that the whole world is similarily gripped by Obamamania.

I hope that 28% figure creeps up to, oh, 50% or so. Maybe then the Obama crowd will figure out that their Messiah is not REALLY all-powerful, and they need to compromise with others.

Unity!

[SkinBasket]

Toss out the rules, ignore laws, and break out the tinfoil hats in the name of the cause.

No rule or law was broken by any party. Nobody on any side proposed anything against the rules or laws.

You are spewing nonsense based on nonsense. But if you don't want to think or know too much about the issue, that's fine. The world needs its clowns, including the ass-clowns.

They broke Dem party rules. That's why the votes didn't count. What the fuck is wrong with you, anyway? I can only assume you've just come off some flaming Hillaryhumpers forum were ya'll get each worked into some kind of rabid frenzy, then you bust in here shouting about injustice and media conspiracy.

I happen to find Wombat rape more intellectually viable as a source of continued discussion than this nonsense that's only a story because Hillary is desperate and morally, as well as intellectually, corrupt. You know as well as I do it's not about disenfranchisement, candidate legitimacy, or the "will of the people." It's about Hillary, like Al before her, tossing any kind of intellectual standards, for herself or for the election process, out the window in an effort to manufacture a few more votes for herself.

Guess what? I'm not voting for either of the two so why the fuck should I care about the Democratic Party's inability to figure out their own nomination process?

[Harlan Huckleby]

They broke Dem party rules. That's why the votes didn't count. What the fuck is wrong with you, anyway?

Nothing at all wrong with this. But this is just the first half of the story.

I would read you the second half, but now its time for your nap. Sleep tight, sweet prince.

[SkinBasket]

They broke Dem party rules. That's why the votes didn't count. What the fuck is wrong with you, anyway?

Nothing at all wrong with this. But this is just the first half of the story.

I would read you the second half of the story, but now its time for your nap. Sleep tight.

That's the problem with Hillary. There's always a second half to the story. Of course she wants to make up that part of the story, but what's wrong with that when you're a Hillary backer, right? Does she single handedly stand up to a moving tank in Tianimin Square in this one? Or maybe she blows up the Death Star? Wombat rape?

[Harlan Huckleby]

you get back to bed or you'll be all cranky

[SkinBasket]

Where'd all your fire and indignation go?

I'd love to go to bed. It's all dark and snowy out. Perfect napping weather.

[Joemailman]

Therein lies the problem...."based on news reports".

I followed this story like a crazed maniac, reading Michigan and Florida newspapers for snippets of details. Now I'm back on the lithium. I really do know of what I speak.

Umm, it is much more complicated than I portrayed, and I have exaggerated Obama's culpability. Even with Obama's full support, it's quite possible that the revotes would have collapsed anyway. Many politicians in Obama's position would have done the same.

Howard Dean is the one who screwed this up. His job as head of the DNC is to make sure there is a level playing field for all the candidates to seek the nomination. they ended up with a situation where people were expecting Obama to agree to a deal that everyone understood would help his opponent. If the roles had been reversed, Clinton, and just about anyone else, would have done the same thing that Obama did.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I agree with what you said. It is unreasonable to expect the candidates to make things right in the heat of battle.

I am riding Obama hard on this because of my ulterior motives: I want Obama Nation to get off their high horse over their Christ figure. This is necessary step for reconciliation.

[texaspackerbacker]

Gallup reports today that 28% of Hillary Clinton supporters plan on voting for McCain in the fall if Obama is the nominee.

If only 10% follow-through on their intentions, Obama is up shit's creek.

The feedback I get from Obama Nation is that the fat Clinton people can just go to hell. They taunt Clinton people, say they don't care if they vote for McCain because they are irrelevant compared to all the new voters that Obama is drawing.

I picture kids looking around their college campus, thinking that the whole world is similarily gripped by Obamamania.

I hope that 28% figure creeps up to, oh, 50% or so. Maybe then the Obama crowd will figure out that their Messiah is not REALLY all-powerful, and they need to compromise with others.

Unity!

When it comes right down to it, probably not that many will vote Republican. However, a significant number will probably just stay home on election day--especially Obama people if Hillary wangles the nomination despite Obama have the most delegates.

And if that happens, AMERICA IS THE WINNER!

[Harlan Huckleby]

Some Dems have invented a new way of deciding the nomination. It's called a "SuperDelegate Caucus." It seems like a better idea to wrap things up quickly, rather than sticking with the inconvienent rule of waiting until the convention.

Obama says he likes the idea. He likes it very much.

I say cancel the remaining primaries. Just let Obama have the crown, the educated people want him, he's probably best. We already have a 48-state popular vote. Threats of rebellion from party leaders if the SuperDelegates act independently. And now a new nomination procedure.

[SkinBasket]

I see Hillary's trying to blackmail superdelegates into supporting her by having her wealthy backers threaten to withhold their contributions to Dem House members. Six months ago, who would have thought that the Democratic elite would have to threaten Pelosi into supporting Hillary?

If you can't cheat your way to a few more votes, I guess the next move is just to buy some votes and threaten the members of your own party. Samantha Power's assessment was spot on, I guess.

[Harlan Huckleby]

As Speaker of the House and leader of the Dems, Pelosi is expected to remain above the fray in this contest to help keep the party together.

The role of the SuperDelegates is to exercise their independent judgement, they were created as a check against the elected delegates. These are the rules of the election.

http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2008/02/20080218_a_main.asp

Some Democratic leaders who favor Obama (Nancy Pelosi, Gov. Wilder, others) have incorrectly stated that SuperDelegates are required to follow the will of the elected delegates. Although it's fine to suggest this as a wise criteria, Pelosi & Wilder have crossed the line by accusing the SuperDelegates of fraud if they don't follow the Pledge Delegates.

This conduct is beyond unfair and stupid, it's tampering with election officials. Obama is being nominated through a corrupt process.

The "blackmail" that Skinbasket refers to is a letter written by some Clinton supporters and donors addressed to Pelosi complaining about her improper behavor. Seems reasonable to me! The Obama Campaign spun this letter as an implied threat to withhold donations to the party, their accusation didn't get any traction.

I wouldn't have any problem if the donors did threaten to withhold and demand that Pelosi respect the SuperDelegate rules. Perrfectly reasonable. You just have to read about it yourself, and marvel at Skin's creativity in spinning the letter as "Hillary blackmailing the SuperDelegates" Skinbasket didn't get voted Funniest Poster for nothing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/26/AR2008032602918.html

[SkinBasket]

Harlan, you would read a story about Hillary shitting on the Constitution as, "Presidential Favorite Hillary Clinton addressed issues of Constitutional backlog today."

[Joemailman]

As Speaker of the House and leader of the Dems, Pelosi is expected to remain above the fray in this contest to help keep the party together.

The role of the SuperDelegates is to exercise their independent judgement, they were created as a check against the elected delegates. These are the rules of the election.

http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2008/02/20080218_a_main.asp

Some Democratic leaders who favor Obama (Nancy Pelosi, Gov. Wilder, others) have incorrectly stated that SuperDelegates are required to follow the will of the elected delegates. Although it's fine to suggest this as a wise criteria, Pelosi & Wilder have crossed the line by accusing the SuperDelegates of fraud if they don't follow the Pledge Delegates.

This conduct is beyond unfair and stupid, it's tampering with election officials. Obama is being nominated through a corrupt process.

The "blackmail" that Skinbasket refers to is a letter written by some Clinton supporters and donors addressed to Pelosi complaining about her improper behavor. Seems reasonable to me! The Obama Campaign spun this letter as an implied threat to withhold donations to the party, their accusation didn't get any traction.

I wouldn't have any problem if the donors did threaten to withhold and demand that Pelosi respect the SuperDelegate rules. Perrfectly reasonable. You just have to read about it yourself, and marvel at Skin's creativity in spinning the letter as "Hillary blackmailing the SuperDelegates" Skinbasket didn't get voted Funniest Poster for nothing.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...032602918.html

Nancy Pelosi did not say that the superdelegates are required to follow the will of the elected delegates. What she actually said was “If the votes of the superdelegates overturn what’s happened in the elections, it would be harmful to the Democratic party,” Pelosi said in an interview taped Friday for broadcast Sunday on ABC’s “This Week.”

She is probably right. If Obama wins the most pledged delegates, the most states, and the popular vote, and is denied the nomination by the superdelegates, there will be a split in the party that no one can bridge.