Wisconsin Primary

[packinpatland]

She is probably right. If Obama wins the most pledged delegates, the most states, and the popular vote, and is denied the nomination by the superdelegates, there will be a split in the party that no one can bridge.



Do you really think that will phase Hillary? ...........not so much.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Nancy Pelosi did not say that the superdelegates are required to follow the will of the elected delegates. What she actually said was “If the votes of the superdelegates overturn what’s happened in the elections, it would be harmful to the Democratic party,” Pelosi said in an interview taped Friday for broadcast Sunday on ABC’s “This Week.”

She's chosen her words carefully, but her statement is interpreted as meaning the SuperDelegate trumping of pledge delegates is illegitimate. That's how the Obama camp view the issue, and they are encouraged by her statement. The party leader should not be taking sides in the dispute, and especially not pressuring people to ignore the rules.

Nancy Hussein Pelosi also stated that delegates from MI & FL should not be allowed to be dispositive. Meaning regardless of what split is negotiated, the delegates can not be used by Hillary to overtake Obama's lead. You tell me how this is in any sense fair.

PIP, the SuperDelegates are going to look strongly at electability. Clinton's strongest argument is her pull in the electoral college swing states. And she may have impressive popular vote.

But how can we know popular vote, Obama has successfully blocked elections in MI & FL.

The nomination has no legitimacy.

[texaspackerbacker]

Skin Basket, I enjoy your political posting, but I have to say, I enjoy your avatar even more. Is it just a dirty old man like me, or does that remind any one else of what it reminds me of?

[Deputy Nutz]

Skin Basket, I enjoy your political posting, but I have to say, I enjoy your avatar even more. Is it just a dirty old man like me, or does that remind any one else of what it reminds me of?

I have know idea what you are talking about. It is just a woman diddling her mouse.

[BallHawk]

According to Hill.....

Not sitting the delegates of Florida and Michigan is completely undemocratic.

But letting the party elite overturn the votes of millions. Well, that's just part of the game.

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This whole thing will end with a 50-50 split in Florida and Michigan. The DNC knows they have to seat them somehow.

Not that Florida matters, we're going to lose that state anyway. Michigan is big, though.

[Harlan Huckleby]

According to Hill.....

Not sitting the delegates of Florida and Michigan is completely undemocratic.

But letting the party elite overturn the votes of millions. Well, that's just part of the game.

Its not just the MI & FL delegates, it's their popular vote too.

SuperDelegates are designed to be undemocratic, so she's on solid ground there.

The MI-FL problem is unsolvable. Clinton's argument for revotes is stronger, but I've come to appreciate that Obama's point of view is legitimate too.

This whole thing will end with a 50-50 split in Florida and Michigan. The DNC knows they have to seat them somehow.

Clinton & her supporters would walk out of the convention before they would accept a 50-50 split.

We're looking at a colossul clusterfuck. Obama & DNC must hope that Obama will be so far ahead that he can afford to generously seat MI & FL, and thereby make everything look on the up-and-up.

[Harlan Huckleby]

So Senator Leahy hopped on his smoking witches broom yesterday and wrote "Surrender, Hillary" across the sky.

What a dope!

The Obama camp often attempts public relations moves that get the faithful excited but look bad from outside the ... I was gonna say "cult", but I'm feeling charitable and will go with "movement".

The average person will think Leahy is being very arrogant trying to shut-down an election that is obviously not settled. And remaining voters will bristle.

The new Obama Girl video is likewise counter productive. Sure, Obama fans are going to get all lubricated, but the images just re-enforce the perception of him as a superficial pop star. The shot of Obama working his "magic powers" to spin the earth on his fingers is pukey to those who haven't accepted Him as their savior.

A lot of people are attracted to Clinton's hardworking, no-nonsense fighter image, they don't want somebody with magic powers.

[Scott Campbell]

A lot of people are attracted to Clinton's hardworking, no-nonsense fighter image................

As in the no nonsense (coming under sniper fire during the treacherous Bosnia landing) fighter image? Or as in the no nonsense (my husband is getting blown by some intern just outside the oval office) fighter image?


Yeah, that's Hillary. No nonsense there.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Clinton Vows To Stay in Race To Convention
She Stresses Finding Solution On Michigan, Florida Votes
By Perry Bacon Jr. and Anne E. Kornblut
Sunday, March 30, 2008

NEW ALBANY, Ind., March 29 -- In her most definitive comments to date on the subject, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton sought Saturday to put to rest any notion that she will drop out of the presidential race, pledging in an interview to not only compete in all the remaining primaries but also continue until there is a resolution of the disqualified results in Florida and Michigan.

A day after Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean urged the candidates to end the race by July 1, Clinton defied that call by declaring that she will take her campaign all the way to the Aug. 25-28 convention if necessary, potentially setting up the prolonged and divisive contest that party leaders are increasingly anxious to avoid.

"I know there are some people who want to shut this down and I think they are wrong," Clinton said in an interview during a campaign stop here Saturday. "I have no intention of stopping until we finish what we started and until we see what happens in the next 10 contests and until we resolve Florida and Michigan. And if we don't resolve it, we'll resolve it at the convention -- that's what credentials committees are for.

"We cannot go forward until Florida and Michigan are taken care of, otherwise the eventual nominee will not have the legitimacy that I think will haunt us," said the senator from New York. "I can imagine the ads the Republican Party and John McCain will run if we don't figure out how we can count the votes in Michigan and Florida."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/29/AR2008032901909.html?hpid=topnews

You Go Girl!!!!!!!

Don't let Nancy Pelosi and the her associated crooks end democracy for the alleged good of the Democrats.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Nancy Pelosi's comment on the SuperDelegates is equivalent to a judge instructing a jury at the Mayor's drunk-driving trial, "If you convict him it will be a black eye for the town. Now do what you have to do."

Her suggesting that even if FL & MI delegates are seated they "must not be dispositive" is batty. Nancy's become a cross between Obama Girl and a Little League mom.

[Joemailman]

Clinton Vows To Stay in Race To Convention
She Stresses Finding Solution On Michigan, Florida Votes
By Perry Bacon Jr. and Anne E. Kornblut
Sunday, March 30, 2008

NEW ALBANY, Ind., March 29 -- In her most definitive comments to date on the subject, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton sought Saturday to put to rest any notion that she will drop out of the presidential race, pledging in an interview to not only compete in all the remaining primaries but also continue until there is a resolution of the disqualified results in Florida and Michigan.

A day after Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean urged the candidates to end the race by July 1, Clinton defied that call by declaring that she will take her campaign all the way to the Aug. 25-28 convention if necessary, potentially setting up the prolonged and divisive contest that party leaders are increasingly anxious to avoid.

"I know there are some people who want to shut this down and I think they are wrong," Clinton said in an interview during a campaign stop here Saturday. "I have no intention of stopping until we finish what we started and until we see what happens in the next 10 contests and until we resolve Florida and Michigan. And if we don't resolve it, we'll resolve it at the convention -- that's what credentials committees are for.

"We cannot go forward until Florida and Michigan are taken care of, otherwise the eventual nominee will not have the legitimacy that I think will haunt us," said the senator from New York. "I can imagine the ads the Republican Party and John McCain will run if we don't figure out how we can count the votes in Michigan and Florida."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/29/AR2008032901909.html?hpid=topnews

You Go Girl!!!!!!!

Don't let Nancy Pelosi and the her associated crooks end democracy for the alleged good of the Democrats.

Clinton has to talk like this to avoid the perception that it is inevitable she will have to drop out. She may not have the money to take the campaign into August if she does not do well in the next few primaries. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9259.html

[texaspackerbacker]

At times, I actually find myself drifting into rooting for Hillary a little bit--and I don't mean just from Rush's Operation Chaos standpoint--keeping the battle going. Then I slap myself in the side of the head and get real.

Obama would simply be horrendous for the country. He is McGovern in his anti-American attitudes; He is Jimmy Carter both in his foreign policy of weakness and in his tax and spend and wind down our standard of living domestic agenda. He is trying to mask all that with his charisma and speaking ability.

Hillary, on the other hand, though she has STATED positions about as bad as Obama, is a pragmatist (euphemism for liar) just like Bill. When she actually got in office, she probably would have an epiphany about how stupid weakening our military and pursuing a non-interventionist foreign policy would be. Also, I think she would be a helluva lot quicker than Obama to realize the deleterious effects of the horribly stupid domestic agenda both have, and snap back to some semblance of economic reality.

The REAL reason I favor Hillary for the Dem nomination, of course, is that she would be damaged goods after "stealing" the nomination from Obama, and hence, easier to beat for McCain.

I think the whole mess will turn out to be moot, though, as once we get closer to the election and people are better able to draw the contrast between the rotten for America positions of the Dems and McCain's views--which are MUCH closer to the views and core values of America, things will swing to the Republicans--just as happened in 2000 and 2004.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Clinton has to talk like this to avoid the perception that it is inevitable she will have to drop out.

Clinton won't have to drop out until Obama gets the magic number of delegates, regardless of money.

I don't care so much about the horse race. I don't like how the rules have been bent to favor Obama:
1) redefining of the SuperDelegates by threatening dire consequences if they act independently.
2) no vote for MI/FL when a legitimate remedy was available
3) demands that Clinton drop-out before she is eliminated per the rules.

It's unseemly. Ya, OBama is going to win, but this is the wrong way to do. I blame the process 90% and OBama 10%. His nomination is not going to be legitimate in some peoples eyes.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think the whole mess will turn out to be moot, though, as once we get closer to the election and people are better able to draw the contrast between the rotten for America positions of the Dems and McCain's views--which are MUCH closer to the views and core values of America, things will swing to the Republicans--just as happened in 2000 and 2004.

The issues are in favor of the Dems, by a huge margin. And "change" amounts to an issue this year. Most people are not going to follow McCain on the war, for instance.

Presidents tend to get elected by personality. I think the fall is unpredictable. A large number of Dems are pissed off at the party or Obama. The Republicans will have to smear Obama further to win the contest. Jermiah Wright is resonating mostly with Republicans.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Obama to Clinton: Stay in the Race
By Michael Powell

JOHNSTOWN, Pa., — Senator Barack Obama had a few words of advice Saturday for his rival, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton: Stay in the race as long as you want.
“My attitude is that Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants,” Mr. Obama said at a press conference in the high school gymnasium here. “Her name is on the ballot. She is a fierce and formidable opponent and she obviously believes she would make the best nominee and the best president.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/obama-to-clinton-stay-in-the-race/

Obama read my posts and realized that the "Surrender Hillary" brigade is only hurting him.