No Joke Thread

[Tarlam!]

I would kill anybody that touched my child. By default, I would kill anybody that touched another's child.

I have family members that ought to be killed. Not sure if I would treat their murderer the same way I would treat a child molester, Tyler.

In fact, I know what is worse to me.

[jack's smirking revenge]

I would kill anybody that touched my child. By default, I would kill anybody that touched another's child.

I have family members that ought to be killed. Not sure if I would treat their murderer the same way I would treat a child molester, Tyler.

In fact, I know what is worse to me.

That's cool. Just posing a philosophical question. My girlfriend has three beautiful and special children (and I am with them every day), so I can agree that child molestation is deplorable. In ranking severity of crimes, I just find it interesting that people put the abuse of a child above the murder of another human being. True, the molestation affects a child for the rest of his/her life; the murder of another person affects scores of people--friends, family members, co-workers, etc.--and reduces our race to the basest of animal menality where the taking of life is just part of natural selection.

Not minimizing child molestation in any way. I just find the discussion very interesting. I am in the minority in the poll (by choosing other) for once and I feel a bit like an outsider.

tyler

[pacfan]

I would kill anybody that touched my child. By default, I would kill anybody that touched another's child.

I have family members that ought to be killed. Not sure if I would treat their murderer the same way I would treat a child molester, Tyler.

In fact, I know what is worse to me.

That's cool. Just posing a philosophical question. My girlfriend has three beautiful and special children (and I am with them every day), so I can agree that child molestation is deplorable. In ranking severity of crimes, I just find it interesting that people put the abuse of a child above the murder of another human being. True, the molestation affects a child for the rest of his/her life; the murder of another person affects scores of people--friends, family members, co-workers, etc.--and reduces our race to the basest of animal menality where the taking of life is just part of natural selection.

Not minimizing child molestation in any way. I just find the discussion very interesting. I am in the minority in the poll (by choosing other) for once and I feel a bit like an outsider.

tyler

#1.)I would rank child molestation above murder. Children are trusting and, for the most part, defensless. They look to adults for guidance, love, and nurturing. When somebody removes that trust for their own sick end, I would be compelled to committ #2.

#2.) Murder is next, the loss of companionship of a friend or relative due to senseless violence (any violence actually) is as hard. The loss is nearly inconceivable unless you have lost somebody in that fashion. Religion provides guidelines, but passion can overide almost anything.

I could see #1 happening and somebody committing #2 because of it.

[jack's smirking revenge]

I would kill anybody that touched my child. By default, I would kill anybody that touched another's child.

I have family members that ought to be killed. Not sure if I would treat their murderer the same way I would treat a child molester, Tyler.

In fact, I know what is worse to me.

That's cool. Just posing a philosophical question. My girlfriend has three beautiful and special children (and I am with them every day), so I can agree that child molestation is deplorable. In ranking severity of crimes, I just find it interesting that people put the abuse of a child above the murder of another human being. True, the molestation affects a child for the rest of his/her life; the murder of another person affects scores of people--friends, family members, co-workers, etc.--and reduces our race to the basest of animal menality where the taking of life is just part of natural selection.

Not minimizing child molestation in any way. I just find the discussion very interesting. I am in the minority in the poll (by choosing other) for once and I feel a bit like an outsider.

tyler

#1.)I would rank child molestation above murder. Children are trusting and, for the most part, defensless. They look to adults for guidance, love, and nurturing. When somebody removes that trust for their own sick end, I would be compelled to committ #2.

#2.) Murder is next, the loss of companionship of a friend or relative due to senseless violence (any violence actually) is as hard. The loss is nearly inconceivable unless you have lost somebody in that fashion. Religion provides guidelines, but passion can overide almost anything.

I could see #1 happening and somebody committing #2 because of it.

I do find it interesting that you've framed religion as "guidelines". I studied theology in college, so that's a bit of a side passion. In most religions, murder is a sin, something that cannot be attoned for. Thus, "thou shalt not kill" is not a guideline; its a rule.

Pederasty and pedophilia and various other forms of child molestation have existed throughout the ages and civilizations--throughout medieval Japan and China and Europe, classical Greek and Roman civilizations, and even in the Catholic Church. That doesn't make it right or any less repulsive. I'm just amazed that it was ever remotely acceptable.

tyler

[Little Whiskey]

I could see #1 happening and somebody committing #2 because of it.

do you need some toliet paper??? I hate when i'm going #1 and all of a sudden you have an immedate urge for #2.


hell this thread has been serious for too long.

[The Leaper]

I'm not sure I could possibly find a way to classify molestation or murder where one is clearly "worse" than the other. Both are equally heinous IMO.

That said, I feel that someone who molests a child is likely a greater danger to society than someone who committed a murder. The vast majority of murders are spontaneous and based on a combination of several major conditions that are really not likely to reappear in their lives again. Think OJ Simpson...it is highly unlikely he is going to commit murder again. You could bump into him at a restaurant and not fear for your life in the least.

Child molestors are entirely different. Thousands of them have been put through extensive "rehabiliation"...and once released back into society, almost all of them revert back to their life as a predator. The psychological evidence is pretty substantial that there is little hope for reforming most of these people. Most murderers can openly recognize that what they did was wrong. For some reason, child molestors can always find a way to justify their actions in their own mind...which is what makes it so hard to reform them.

With that in mind...it makes more sense to apply the death penalty, or at least a life sentence without parole, to child molestors...simply because they are less likely to re-enter society as a reformed, rehabilitated citizen.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I'm not pro-molestation, but I think everyone needs to realize that must child molesters were victims themselves of molestation. Rarely do things happen in a vacuum.

That is why child molestation is such a terrible crime, it perpetuates itself.

However, I can't see killing a child molester. Yes, it makes me sick to think of it, but it also makes me sick to think that they were molested themselves.

Child molesters, serial killer, rapists or any other deviant is just that. A deviant. They are not really in control of their behavior. They are a deviation from the norm. But, that deviation is part of the norm...just as being gay goes against the norm.

To quote Love & Rockets, "when you go against nature, that is a part of nature too."

[MJZiggy]

It's simple. Just take the child molester and remove his balls, hands, tongue and a couple of toes for extra insurance and voila! you don't have to kill him so there's no death penalty issue, he can't reoffend and if you conveniently forget the anesthetic while removing these offensive pieces, then he's summarily punished as well.

[Tarlam!]

Leaper, I really liked your post.

Tyler, I guess some of the thoelogy classes left an impression.

I believe your legal system has different degrees of Murder, plus Manslaughter. I am willing to put psychopaths above drug dealers, cause they, too, are preditors. Murder one people.

But, if someone touches one of my babies, and I know who, believe me, I will plot and implement a death for that individual that would have historic value.

Does that make me as vile as him?

[MJZiggy]

That makes you a parent.

[Mazzin]

Agreed....a good one at that. Tarlam, I don't have any kids but I have 2 neices and 1 nephew, and I think the WORLD of them.

[jack's smirking revenge]

That makes you a parent.

Well, considering I almost plotted something similar to eradicate the man who had an affair with my exwife (which led to my divorce), I guess I would concur. If I had children, I would probably do something similar.

tyler

[Mazzin]

Jack sorry to hear about that buddy, I'm young and in love, so of course naturally I dont think my boyfriend can do no wrong, but I do keep a keen eye on him, although he is probably the nicest most sincere guy I have ever met, and would do anything in the world for me.

[jack's smirking revenge]

Jack sorry to hear about that buddy, I'm young and in love, so of course naturally I dont think my boyfriend can do no wrong, but I do keep a keen eye on him, although he is probably the nicest most sincere guy I have ever met, and would do anything in the world for me.

Thanks Mazzin. I was once young and in love. All I can say is that times change and people change with them. Everyone thought I had the perfect marriage until "he" turned up, a total surprise to everyone, and life spiraled out of control. A story for another day. All I can suggest is keep your eye on him. I won't suggest anything else; I'd start using my jadespeak.



tyler

[pacfan]

I could see #1 happening and somebody committing #2 because of it.

do you need some toliet paper??? I hate when i'm going #1 and all of a sudden you have an immedate urge for #2.


hell this thread has been serious for too long.

I make an excellent straight man.....