Recession coming

[Harlan Huckleby]

Now that I think of it, I also know someone in IT at the Pentagon who was a Marketing major, but I think I may see a pattern...The comp sci guys write the code and the BA grads who happen to know about computers are hired to manage the people. Does that sound right?

I would put it another way. The particular degree you come out of college with has very little to do with your advancement in the world, after a few years past college.

No, no, that's not quite right either. What I REALLY mean to say is it's not who you know, it's who you blow.

[GrnBay007]

I would really start grinding the math and pushing it hard. Knowing math and being great at it will make a lot of college majors easier.

Tutor time. I hate math.

[Partial]

Now that I think of it, I also know someone in IT at the Pentagon who was a Marketing major, but I think I may see a pattern...The comp sci guys write the code and the BA grads who happen to know about computers are hired to manage the people. Does that sound right?

At a lot of companies its the other way around. A lot of developers go and get their MBA so they can manage people. Really, really, really good programmers make more money though. If only I was that talented...

But at any rate, you see both a lot from my experiences at my two jobs. In one, the higher ups were mostly former developers. In my current place, most of the people are from different background and got started out as contract developers.

[GrnBay007]

I would put it another way. The particular degree you come out of college with has very little to do with your advancement in the world, after a few years past college.

No, no, that's not quite right either. What I REALLY mean to say is it's not who you know, it's who you blow.

There's truth in that......well, not who you blow, but those that climb up the bosses ass. You see it all the time. Talk about selling your soul.

[Partial]

I would really start grinding the math and pushing it hard. Knowing math and being great at it will make a lot of college majors easier.

Tutor time. I hate math.

That, and make sure they understand that attending class and listening is half the battle. My biggest struggles in college have been laziness. The material is a hell of a lot harder when you don't go to class then have a hard time studying because you feel overwhelmed.

[Partial]

Now that I think of it, I also know someone in IT at the Pentagon who was a Marketing major, but I think I may see a pattern...The comp sci guys write the code and the BA grads who happen to know about computers are hired to manage the people. Does that sound right?

I would put it another way. The particular degree you come out of college with has very little to do with your advancement in the world, after a few years past college.

No, no, that's not quite right either. What I REALLY mean to say is it's not who you know, it's who you blow.

See now that I don't know about. In software, it seems a lot of people work on contract and the more companies they work for and do a great job for, the more people begin to know their name. Then when those people move up and are looking for managers, etc, they go for those people they previously worked with.

I know a couple of people who have done this.

[Harlan Huckleby]

There's truth in that......well, not who you blow, but those that climb up the bosses ass. You see it all the time. Talk about selling your soul.

I was only kidding about that part. But ya, the people who rise in organizations often do some rectal orienteering. But leaving aside that true-enough cynicism, college degrees don't matter that much. You have to keep learning and adapting.

[MJZiggy]

I would really start grinding the math and pushing it hard. Knowing math and being great at it will make a lot of college majors easier.

Tutor time. I hate math.

That, and make sure they understand that attending class and listening is half the battle. My biggest struggles in college have been laziness. The material is a hell of a lot harder when you don't go to class then have a hard time studying because you feel overwhelmed.

Maybe if you focused on school more instead of working 26 hours a week, you wouldn't feel so overwhelmed and would have an easier time focusing on your studies...

[Scott Campbell]

There's truth in that......well, not who you blow, but those that climb up the bosses ass. You see it all the time. Talk about selling your soul.

Is your boss that bad a guy/gal?

[GrnBay007]

There's truth in that......well, not who you blow, but those that climb up the bosses ass. You see it all the time. Talk about selling your soul.

Is your boss that bad a guy/gal?

No, not now. There was a time when I had a boss that made being at work 10x more stressful then it needed to be. But what I was referring to are those that find a way to climb the ladder without even being able to do the job they were hired for.

[SkinBasket]

I don't have a comp sci degree. Of course, I could ask what other degree you have to compare yours against, but maybe you'll see how self-defeating that argument is. Probably not, but I thought you had to take logic to get a comp sci degree.

So you're talking out of your ass as you have no idea what it takes to get a CS degree.... blah blahblah blah grrrrr.

So in other words you're not at all qualified to talk about any sort of engineering or computer science degree. For what its worth, getting an engineering degree doesn't make you an engineer. Passing the professional engineering exam does. And being a CS major, I have a VERY good chance of becoming a professional SE.

See above. The bolded part. You know, the thick dark letters...

No no, you became a computer programmer and network tech. NOT an engineer.

Thanks for correcting my job title since you have such a deep and thorough understanding of what my job was.

According to money magazine, Entry level compuer analysts make 60k...

No, no you are a potential comp sci major with a low level internship and a super inflated head, not a "compuer analyst." I looked for data on "compuer analysts," but none was available.

In Milwaukee, the average UWM CS grad gets about 45k. I have pretty good grades and work for a good company. I'm expecting 50k..

You also have poor communication skills, a self admitted problem with laziness, and the demonstrated logic skills of a hamster. I am expecting 35k...

You're crazy if you think 40k is the average.

They aren't my numbers. They're your reality - outside your 65k a year inheritance that is. I think I'll go with the published numbers over the "Partial Thinks" numbers.

For the second or third time in the past couple years, harlan is right. Most of the IT jobs involve being familiar with the equipment and software, which isn't hard to do - CS degree or no. If you've built one machine or network you've built them all. There are a lot of terrible IT guys out there with CS degrees that sit in the basement and google whatever problems come up, and as harlan said, hide behind buzzwords hoping their bosses won't understand them or ask questions about why they suck at their job.

The programming part requires a penchant for logic and a varying amount of math depending on your field. After that, it's getting to know the language and how to work around it's limitations.

Or if you're like Partial, you try to learn what you need to for whatever project you're working on and make the job out to be more difficult than it is.

[SkinBasket]

No no, I have fine communication skills and struggle with the technical stuff.

I would think this was a joke if you were anyone else.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I don't think programming is easy, it's very hard work.

Really, it's only as hard as the language makes it.

I don't think thats true, but I don't think programming is particularly hard either. It's normally very easy to write code to do something once you break everything down and get a good grasp on what the project is supposed to entail. I think project managers in IT have pretty difficult jobs and they is why they are paid very well.

They have a tough job because they have to manage people. People like you.

No no, I have fine communication skills and struggle with the technical stuff. No offense, but if you were my age I have a hunch I'd be managing you

Right. Look at well you do on this board.

So, you are essentially telling us that you can't even do the basics in your chosen profession.

Manage me. Not a chance. Unlike you, i understand the free market system. I would NEVER choose to work with or under you. Simple as that.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I would really start grinding the math and pushing it hard. Knowing math and being great at it will make a lot of college majors easier.

Tutor time. I hate math.

That, and make sure they understand that attending class and listening is half the battle. My biggest struggles in college have been laziness. The material is a hell of a lot harder when you don't go to class then have a hard time studying because you feel overwhelmed.

You are lazy. But, you tell us all the time how easy it is to attend class and work.

[Partial]

I would really start grinding the math and pushing it hard. Knowing math and being great at it will make a lot of college majors easier.

Tutor time. I hate math.

That, and make sure they understand that attending class and listening is half the battle. My biggest struggles in college have been laziness. The material is a hell of a lot harder when you don't go to class then have a hard time studying because you feel overwhelmed.

Maybe if you focused on school more instead of working 26 hours a week, you wouldn't feel so overwhelmed and would have an easier time focusing on your studies...

Ha. Back in my foolish days it was way too much playing video games and sitting around shooting the shit with the roomate and whatnot. That, and sleeping.