Recession coming

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Please clicko the linko..

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/cost_of_war

Have you read Stieglitz's projection?

3 billion conservatively for this fiasco. And, the worst part is Bush and his fake accounting skills.

We are so screwed.

[Partial]

Brutal stuff...of course the calvary that is the FED will save the day! Huzzay! Nothing but red........

Freedom ain't free broski. And that deficit is only going to keep growing with Dems and their historical large spending in office. Right now what we need is a true conservative to come in and cut spending big time and keep us safe. You think the economy is shitty now, wait until UniHealth goes live 4 years from now. It'll suck when you pocket 25% of your earnings

I seem to recall that a dem balanced the budget. I seem to recall this president NEVER vetoing any spending bill.

Get serious.

This president isn't a true conservative.

The president who balanced the budget also slashed the defense budget into a fraction of what it should have been. 5k Americans were then murdered.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Brutal stuff...of course the calvary that is the FED will save the day! Huzzay! Nothing but red........

Freedom ain't free broski. And that deficit is only going to keep growing with Dems and their historical large spending in office. Right now what we need is a true conservative to come in and cut spending big time and keep us safe. You think the economy is shitty now, wait until UniHealth goes live 4 years from now. It'll suck when you pocket 25% of your earnings

I seem to recall that a dem balanced the budget. I seem to recall this president NEVER vetoing any spending bill.

Get serious.

This president isn't a true conservative.

The president who balanced the budget also slashed the defense budget into a fraction of what it should have been. 5k Americans were then murdered.

Ok. He ran as a conservative. So, you are calling him a liar.

Slashed defense. LOL.

So, the defense that led us to victory is on Bush? This is just TOO EASY.

"A commander-in-chief leads the military built by those who came before him," then-vice presidential candidate Dick Cheney said during the 2000 campaign. "There is little that he or his defense secretary can do to improve the force they have to deploy. It is all the work of previous administrations. Decisions made today shape the force of tomorrow."

In fact, the Clinton administration actually spent more money on defense than the previous administration of President George H.W. Bush. The smaller outlays during the first Bush administration were developed and approved by then-Defense Secretary Cheney and then-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell. The Clinton administration did not coast on Reagan-era procurement funding. During the 1990s, the Pentagon invested more than $1 trillion in developing and procuring new weapons and information technology that gave U.S. forces such an unprecedented advantage in the last two U.S. military campaigns. But more significant than the budget increases was the shift that occurred in the mid-1990s. That shift involved much greater emphasis on precision weapons, sensors, robotics, advanced communications, training, readiness, and orienting the intelligence community toward direct support of military operations. It was that shift that produced the superb military that not only swept through Iraq at a rate that defied historical precedent, but used its awesome force with unprecedented precision and effect, unprecedented low collateral damage, and unprecedented low casualty rates. It was the American Revolution in Military Affairs begun in the Clinton administration that was unveiled in Bush's Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Let me remind you of what BUSH CAMPAIGNED ON!!

During his presidential campaign Bush charged that the Clinton administration had overburdened the U.S. military with too many deployments overseas, and he promised to pare those military obligations. "Resources are overstretched," he said. "Frustration is up, as families are separated and strained. Morale is down. Recruitment is more difficult. And many of our best people in the military are headed for civilian life."

5k: Really, interesting that you would blame him for that when intel was clear about it months before. Had nothing to do with defense. Defense has NOTHING TO DO WITH MONITORING TERRORIST ACTIVITIES.

BTW, i'm sure you'll then exonerate Clinton for the WTC.

partial, you don't know jack shit about what really happened. If you are as you say, a college student...you were 8 years old at best when Clinton took over.

[The Leaper]

3 billion conservatively for this fiasco. And, the worst part is Bush and his fake accounting skills.

We are so screwed.

Come on, Ty. Screwed? Over $3B???

Our national debt is approaching $10 TRILLION...and it amounts to roughly $1.75B every DAY!

Our monthly trade deficit alone is $58 billion...and our total trade deficit to date is approaching $150 TRILLION!

$3B is pocket change compared to the real economic issues facing this economy.

[Partial]

Brutal stuff...of course the calvary that is the FED will save the day! Huzzay! Nothing but red........

Freedom ain't free broski. And that deficit is only going to keep growing with Dems and their historical large spending in office. Right now what we need is a true conservative to come in and cut spending big time and keep us safe. You think the economy is shitty now, wait until UniHealth goes live 4 years from now. It'll suck when you pocket 25% of your earnings

I seem to recall that a dem balanced the budget. I seem to recall this president NEVER vetoing any spending bill.

Get serious.

This president isn't a true conservative.

The president who balanced the budget also slashed the defense budget into a fraction of what it should have been. 5k Americans were then murdered.

Ok. He ran as a conservative. So, you are calling him a liar.

Slashed defense. LOL.

So, the defense that led us to victory is on Bush? This is just TOO EASY.

"A commander-in-chief leads the military built by those who came before him," then-vice presidential candidate Dick Cheney said during the 2000 campaign. "There is little that he or his defense secretary can do to improve the force they have to deploy. It is all the work of previous administrations. Decisions made today shape the force of tomorrow."

In fact, the Clinton administration actually spent more money on defense than the previous administration of President George H.W. Bush. The smaller outlays during the first Bush administration were developed and approved by then-Defense Secretary Cheney and then-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell. The Clinton administration did not coast on Reagan-era procurement funding. During the 1990s, the Pentagon invested more than $1 trillion in developing and procuring new weapons and information technology that gave U.S. forces such an unprecedented advantage in the last two U.S. military campaigns. But more significant than the budget increases was the shift that occurred in the mid-1990s. That shift involved much greater emphasis on precision weapons, sensors, robotics, advanced communications, training, readiness, and orienting the intelligence community toward direct support of military operations. It was that shift that produced the superb military that not only swept through Iraq at a rate that defied historical precedent, but used its awesome force with unprecedented precision and effect, unprecedented low collateral damage, and unprecedented low casualty rates. It was the American Revolution in Military Affairs begun in the Clinton administration that was unveiled in Bush's Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Let me remind you of what BUSH CAMPAIGNED ON!!

During his presidential campaign Bush charged that the Clinton administration had overburdened the U.S. military with too many deployments overseas, and he promised to pare those military obligations. "Resources are overstretched," he said. "Frustration is up, as families are separated and strained. Morale is down. Recruitment is more difficult. And many of our best people in the military are headed for civilian life."

5k: Really, interesting that you would blame him for that when intel was clear about it months before. Had nothing to do with defense. Defense has NOTHING TO DO WITH MONITORING TERRORIST ACTIVITIES.

BTW, i'm sure you'll then exonerate Clinton for the WTC.

partial, you don't know jack shit about what really happened. If you are as you say, a college student...you were 8 years old at best when Clinton took over.

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That's correct, I don't remember any of the Clinton campaign. I know that Clinton's budget balancing act led to us getting attacked soon after W took over.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I know that Clinton's budget balancing act led to us getting attacked soon after W took over.

No way, it was the Jews.
But what else do you know for sure?

[Joemailman]

Partial is the Right Wing Tank. Or maybe he is Tank.

[oregonpackfan]

Partial, Clinton's balancing budget had nothing to do with the United States being attacked in the 9/11 tragedy!

Of those 19 terrorists on those 4 hijacked planes, NONE were from Iraq. Fifteen of them were from Saudi Arabia. Osama bin Laden, the alleged leader of al-Qaida is from Saudi Arabia. On September 11, 2001 the Arab country with the most al-Qaida training camps was Saudi Arabia.

The United States chose to not hold Saudi Arabia accountable because it is the #1 importer of foreign oil to the United States. Securing Iraqi oil is what this war is all about.

The President's own bipartisan 9/11 Commission reported that Saddam Hussain had nothing to do with the 9/11 tragedy nor with al-Qaida. In fact, on September 11, 2001 there was NO al-Qaida in Iraq.

The United States has a $475 billion defense budget which is more than the rest of the world COMBINED! That's right, if you take the defense budgets of the rest of the countries in the world(including China, India, and Russia) add them up, you will find that the USA spends more on defense than the total sum of the rest of the world.

Our year expense of about $145 billion a year for the war in Iraq is NOT included in the annual defense budget. It is ADDITION to the defense budget. Most of the money for the war in Iraq is borrowed money--mostly from China.

Our overly excessive defense budget and the expense for the Iraq war are huge factors in our national debt.

While I am hardly advocating the United States should not have a defense budget, there are many vastly wasteful areas that can be cut. Why do we need 40,000 American troops stationed in Germany and 35,000 American troops stationed in Japan when WWII ended 63 years ago? Those two countries are now our allies. They do no pose a threat to the USA.

One reason why the Soviet Union dissolved was that it was overextending its budget on defense and was becoming involved in wars outside the Soviet Union(if was involved in a major war against Afghanistan at the time). The same think may happen to the America if we keep militarily overexteding ourself, particularly if Bush decides to invade Iran.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

3 billion conservatively for this fiasco. And, the worst part is Bush and his fake accounting skills.

We are so screwed.

Come on, Ty. Screwed? Over $3B???

Our national debt is approaching $10 TRILLION...and it amounts to roughly $1.75B every DAY!

Our monthly trade deficit alone is $58 billion...and our total trade deficit to date is approaching $150 TRILLION!

$3B is pocket change compared to the real economic issues facing this economy.

Leaper,

You are smart...you shoulda recognized my mis..writing. It is 3 trillion, not billion.

Now does that make you a bit worried? Also, that was a conservative estimate..if we started pulling out now.

Go read Stiglitz and see how badly bush and his cronies lied about the costs. Any accountant would be in jail.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I know that Clinton's budget balancing act led to us getting attacked soon after W took over.

No way, it was the Jews.
But what else do you know for sure?

When in doubt, blame the jews!!

[The Leaper]

You are smart...you shoulda recognized my mis..writing. It is 3 trillion, not billion.

I thought the figure sounded pretty low...but I was at work on a Friday and my brain was toast.

Thank God for weekends.

[GrnBay007]

Thank God for weekends.

TGIF....it's been a longggg week!!!

[Freak Out]

Brutal stuff...of course the calvary that is the FED will save the day! Huzzay! Nothing but red........

Freedom ain't free broski. And that deficit is only going to keep growing with Dems and their historical large spending in office. Right now what we need is a true conservative to come in and cut spending big time and keep us safe. You think the economy is shitty now, wait until UniHealth goes live 4 years from now. It'll suck when you pocket 25% of your earnings

My family and I know its not free.....but that is just ignorant BS and fear mongering. We pay enough in taxes now to defend ourselves and pay for health care as long as we do it wisely....But wisdom is in short supply in this country at times.

[MJZiggy]

Brutal stuff...of course the calvary that is the FED will save the day! Huzzay! Nothing but red........

Freedom ain't free broski. And that deficit is only going to keep growing with Dems and their historical large spending in office. Right now what we need is a true conservative to come in and cut spending big time and keep us safe. You think the economy is shitty now, wait until UniHealth goes live 4 years from now. It'll suck when you pocket 25% of your earnings

I seem to recall that a dem balanced the budget. I seem to recall this president NEVER vetoing any spending bill.

Get serious.

This president isn't a true conservative.

The president who balanced the budget also slashed the defense budget into a fraction of what it should have been. 5k Americans were then murdered.

Clinton didn't slash the defense budget. It was Bush that cut the funding for services to the vets. Thanks, George. Those guys didn't do anything for you...

[Partial]

Brutal stuff...of course the calvary that is the FED will save the day! Huzzay! Nothing but red........

Freedom ain't free broski. And that deficit is only going to keep growing with Dems and their historical large spending in office. Right now what we need is a true conservative to come in and cut spending big time and keep us safe. You think the economy is shitty now, wait until UniHealth goes live 4 years from now. It'll suck when you pocket 25% of your earnings

My family and I know its not free.....but that is just ignorant BS and fear mongering. We pay enough in taxes now to defend ourselves and pay for health care as long as we do it wisely....But wisdom is in short supply in this country at times.

They could do both. And you'd take home 25% of what you earn. Than, guys like Harlan will want half of that to go to the poor. Hello socialism.