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  • 40 year anniversary of My Lai, Vietname massacre

    Today marks the 40 year anniversary of the massacre of 504 Vietnamese women, children, and elderly men by American troops at My Lai, during the Vietnam War.

    Led by Lt. William Calley, a platoon of soldiers entered a small village named My Lai, rounded up 504 unarmed Vietnamese civilians, herded them into a ditch, and shot them all.

    In lengthy court martial proceedings years later, only Lt. Calley was convicted of any wrongful acts. Just a few days after the conviction, President Nixon commuted Calley's sentence.

    Calley ended serving just 3 and 1/2 years of house arrest. He has been a free man ever since.

    For those of you not old enough to remember that war, Americans were fed many of the same propaganda and misinformation by our leaders as our leaders gave in for justifying an invasion of Iraq.

    In justifying the war in Vietnam, our leaders stated we needed to stop the threat of Communism. The "Domino Theory" of Communism basically stated that if we did not stop the spread of communism in Vietnam, it would spread across the Pacific, and that eventually communists would be storming the beaches of California.

    A main justification for escalating the Vietnam War occurred in August of '64 during the alleged Gulf of Tonkin incident. Supposedly, two American military ships were attacked by Vietnamese PT-type of boats over the course of two days. This was reported to the American public by President Lyndon Johnson and several high-ranking military leaders.

    Following the incident, Johnson ordered a major escalation of US troops brining the total of American troops in Vietnam to over 500,000.

    Years later, the news reports revealed the Gulf of Tonkin attacks never happened! It was all a complete fabrication by both American civilian and miliary leaders to justify increased military action.

    During this era, supporters of the Vietnam War echoed many of the jingoistic, patriotic, slogans we hear today about the Iraqi War. The troops were "Defending our country," they were "Fighting for our freedom," and they were "Spreading democracy through the rest of the world."

    Finally, after 12 years of warfare, the loss of 58,000 American soldiers, the loss of up to 1 million Vietnamese civilians, and the loss of hundreds of billions of American dollars, the United States finally pulled out.

    The major "Domino Theory" of communist expansion never occured after the Vietnam War. Communism did not spread through the Pacific nor did the communists invade America despite the "loss" of the War.

    The Iraqi War is celebrating its fifth anniversary this week. Our leaders have already deceived us about Saddam Hussain having weapons of mass destruction being a threat to the security of the United States. Our leaders deceived us into believing Hussain was tied to al-Qaida. They also claimed Hussain was directly involved in the 9/11 attacks.

    All these justifications for invading and occupying Iraq have proven to be false.

    For several months, President Bush has been advocating military action against Iran. His claims about Iran possessing a nuclear power program for producing nuclear weapons was recently disputed by the National Intelligence Estimate--a written report of 26 American intelligence agencies. They reported that program ended years ago in 2003.

    A famous quote about history is "Those who don't learn the lessons of history are condemn to repeat them." America made a mistake about entering into the War in Vietnam. America made a mistake about entering into the War in Iraq. Will we allow ourselves into yet another mistake into entering a war with Iran?

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  • #2
    There are anniversaries that you want to celebrate........some that simply need remembering, some you wish you could forget........

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    • #3
      It is war. I am not trying to justify what these soldiers did, it was horrible, but at the same time these young men were under unbelievable pressure. Many times platoons would come into these villages and would be attacked by terrorists acts staged by the Viet Cong. This village had previous reports of this behavior.

      Imagine walking into a village and having young children run up to you, bringing you a can of coke, or whatever and then blowing your shit up with a booby trapped bombs. It pulls at your nerves a bit.

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      • #4
        The enemy dressed up as villagers, normal farmers. Your either got off fine or you were killed by what was a seemingly innocent civilian.

        It was a horrible tragedy, but there are more angles to it than one.
        "I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley

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        • #5
          I had a Warrant Officer in the Army that was an interrogator in Viet Nam. He told us that the best approach to interrogating Victor Charlie was to take a bunch of them up in a Huey and throw one of them out the open door--the rest couldn't wait to get back and tell everything they knew.

          Crude, yes. Against the Geneva Conventions, yes. Saved lives, absolutely.

          Don't forget that both at that time and at the present we are warring against an ideology that doesn't play by the rules.

          It's one thing to decry what someone else does when you're seated comfortably in a chair in front of the Dell. It's another thing entirely when you're humping a pack and all you want to do is go home. Who the hell am I to judge???
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          • #6
            All of which is why we shouldn't get involved in wars until absolutely necessary. War forces people tp do things they would never contemplate doing in any other circumstance. That fact that 40 years after My Lai we have our troops stuck in another country trying to prop up a foreign government suggests we haven't learned much from history.
            I can't run no more with that lawless crowd
            While the killers in high places say their prayers out loud
            But they've summoned, they've summoned up a thundercloud
            They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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            • #7
              WE???? We learned plenty, it was our fearless leader who didn't seem to be paying attention when they went over the "don't deceive the people into war" part of President training...

              As I recall, the words Viet Nam came up plenty by citizens in the run up to this war.

              (by the way, for the record, I'm not bashing you, Joe. Bush just pisses me off.)
              "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MJZiggy
                Bush just pisses me off.)
                Just Bush, not the Congress that keeps funding the war?

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                • #9
                  He got us into it, he's the commander in chief. Once he got us in there and trashed their (secular) government (that had extremists very well under control, albeit by being more extreme than they were, but still), we kinda have a responsibility to help fix the mess we made, no?
                  "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kiwon
                    Originally posted by MJZiggy
                    Bush just pisses me off.)
                    Just Bush, not the Congress that keeps funding the war?
                    You mean the Democratic congress that was supposed to make such a sweeping change when they took charge??

                    They've got lower approval ratings than the President.
                    -digital dean

                    No "TROLLS" allowed!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MJZiggy
                      He got us into it, he's the commander in chief. Once he got us in there and trashed their (secular) government (that had extremists very well under control, albeit by being more extreme than they were, but still), we kinda have a responsibility to help fix the mess we made, no?
                      I refuse to give to give a president that much credit...or blame....he does what he does with help. We don't live in a monarchy.

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                      • #12
                        Although Congress, to their discredit was an enabler, only the President can make the decision to take the country to war. It was the President, not Congress, who appeared in the premature photo-op under the Mission Accomplished banner. The President, as Commander-In-Chief, is responsible for how the war is waged. In that, he has been a colossal failure.
                        I can't run no more with that lawless crowd
                        While the killers in high places say their prayers out loud
                        But they've summoned, they've summoned up a thundercloud
                        They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                        • #13
                          I had a My Lai argument with friend over dinner tonight. Good for the digestion.

                          I think it is a horrible incident, but one of jillions. Why memoralize that particular disaster? How many South Vietnamese were killed after they were over-run? Then all the massacres that followed in Cambodia, Laos.

                          I am rambling incoherently. Horrible stuff happens in war, that is one incident we happen to know a little more about. Is that incident a metaphor for the whole war? I don't know. I don't think the U.S. should beat itself up endlessly over that moment of insanity.

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                          • #14
                            I've never been to the Vietnam Memorial Wall in D.C. but the Vietnam Traveling Memorial Wall did come to our city several years ago. It was an amazing experience to visit and pay respects. There were people there 24/7.

                            There is a young soldier, barely 19 yrs. old, buried near my Grandparents grave site. There was never any flowers at his grave. My sister and I kinda "adopted" him and make sure we put flowers or a flag there at least twice a year. A few years ago my sister saw 3 men standing at his grave. After all this time she felt she had to go talk to them. She learned they were friends that served with him in Vietnam and had finally gotten together and came to visit their old friend. She commented that there were never flowers at his grave. She learned he had a rough childhood and spent the majority of time in juvenile homes. After about 20 years of leaving flowers at his grave we finally learned something about him. Sad story. It's amazing how someone you have never met can touch your heart in some small way.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                              I had a My Lai argument with friend over dinner tonight. Good for the digestion.

                              I think it is a horrible incident, but one of jillions. Why memoralize that particular disaster? How many South Vietnamese were killed after they were over-run? Then all the massacres that followed in Cambodia, Laos.

                              I am rambling incoherently. Horrible stuff happens in war, that is one incident we happen to know a little more about. Is that incident a metaphor for the whole war? I don't know. I don't think the U.S. should beat itself up endlessly over that moment of insanity.
                              One aspect we need to learn from that event is to avoid dehumanizing civilian populations that are not like us. During the Vietnam War, both American soldiers and American civilians derisively referred to the Vietnamese as "Gooks."

                              When Lt. Calley was convicted and sentenced, many Americans were upset that a "War Hero" was convicted for killing a bunch of "Commie Gooks." That outcry led Nixon to commute Calley's sentence from many years in federal prison to just a few years of house arrest.

                              A number of Americans use the same dehumanizing attitude towards Iraqis calling them "Ragheads" or "Towelheads."

                              Most civilian populations during warfare have little support for the policies of their leaders. Nevertheless, they are often caught up in the tragic decisions made by their leaders.

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