No more 'white lies'.....

[Harlan Huckleby]

They didn't play by the established rules and they paid the price.

Who's "they"? Do you think it is reasonable to impose punishment on 5 million voters who did nothing wrong?

And the local party officials who broke the rules aren't necessarily wrong. What is right about allowing two small states disproportionate power? And as it turns out, N.H. broke the rules too by moving their primary ahead, but the national DNC didn't have the guts to disenfranchise them.

Look, this was a screw-up the national DNC, especially Howard Dean. Remember, the republicans had the same issue to deal with, MI & FL republicans moved up too, and they came-up with a sane resolution.

[Harlan Huckleby]

the states have no one to blame but themselves for their primary votes not counting

they were told not to move the dates up or the votes wouldn't count, the states moved them up anyways

Yes, but there was a simple remedy to allow the voters to have a say.

If you think it is more fair and reasonable to punish voters for their non-crime than to schedule a new vote, nothing I could say to dissuade you.

obama followed the party rules and did not campaign there and was not on the ballot. clinton broke the part rules in michigan and was on the ballot, i think she even showed up in lansing before the vote.

I never heard anything about Lansing, I doubt it is true, no candidate would be so foolish. The candidates took a pledge not to campaign, that's all. Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot for his own political strategy.
I saw Chris Dodd, now an Obama supporter, being asked about this issue last weekend. Turns out he had his name on ballot too, so it took him for a loop.
This "name on the ballot" misinformation just own't die.

to redo the vote would be like punishing obama for following the clear rules that were laid out before hand. IMO. and by obama saying "hey, rules are rules, and i followed them", clinton is spinning that to make obama look like a complete dick that doesn't want peoples votes to count.

I really can't follow your reasoning. How does a revote punish Obama? Wouldn't he benefit from a fully legitimate nomination?

And you are repeating the same misinformation. ALL 12 of the candidates followed the rules. This business of saying "rules are rules, and Obama followed them" is just a flat-out lie. I'm not saying you are a liar, but you are repeating misinformation.

and i honestly think obama would win michigan anyways.

If so, why did he fight the revote in MI?

He would probably win the nomination even with revotes in MI & FL. He calculated that he didn't want to take the risk, his media support would limit the blowback.

Terrible idea, a decision made in the heat of an ugly battle. Obama has split the Dem party with this tactic.

[Scott Campbell]

Remember, the republicans had the same issue to deal with, MI & FL republicans moved up too, and they came-up with a sane resolution.

Good point. I think I'll change my vote to Republican.

[Scott Campbell]

Hillary's head is down........and she's about to use that child as a 'shield'

Here's what she was saying to that cute little girl. "I'll get you my pretty, and your little dog too".

[Cheesehead Craig]

They didn't play by the established rules and they paid the price.

Who's "they"? Do you think it is reasonable to impose punishment on 5 million voters who did nothing wrong?

And the local party officials who broke the rules aren't necessarily wrong. What is right about allowing two small states disproportionate power? And as it turns out, N.H. broke the rules too by moving their primary ahead, but the national DNC didn't have the guts to disenfranchise them.

Look, this was a screw-up the national DNC, especially Howard Dean. Remember, the republicans had the same issue to deal with, MI & FL republicans moved up too, and they came-up with a sane resolution.

The local party officials were wrong. They were told not to move it up or they wouldn't be counted. They ignored the DNC and now face the consequences. It's pretty damn simple.

Again, the voters in MI and FL can take it out on the local party officials come election time. It does suck that their votes aren't counted, but that was the gamble those states leaders took when they held the primaries early.

Gotta follow the rules. Without rules we're just a bunch of fat, drunken, stupid, crap-flinging Bears fans.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The local party officials were wrong. They were told not to move it up or they wouldn't be counted. They ignored the DNC and now face the consequences. It's pretty damn simple.

One thing for sure is that its not simple. I dare you to explain why its simple that New Hampshire was not punished.

There were other options to punish the party officials. Make them inelegible to attend conventions. Penalize a portion of delegates.

But we're discussing the option to reschedule the primary, nobody is challenging the rule that caused the problem.

Again, the voters in MI and FL can take it out on the local party officials come election time.

That doesn't solve the current injustice, and its an important one. MI & FL could make a difference in who is president for the next 8 years.

Gotta follow the rules. Without rules we're just a bunch of fat, drunken, stupid, crap-flinging Bears fans.

This is misleading. Rescheduling a voided primary is clearly within the rules. Common sense and fairness suggests the only way to fix the problem was to have a revote. And money wasn't an issue in MI, they already had enough donors.

[packinpatland]

Hillary responds to her 'misspeak' on Bosnia
.....she claims she's only human...unlike what some people think.


Guess, I'm excempt there.......I've never considered her 'human'.

[BallHawk]

Hillary's head is down........

Trying to impress Bill by doing her best Monica impersonation?

[packinpatland]

Hillary's head is down........

Trying to impress Bill by doing her best Monica impersonation?

No silly ......she's ducking bullets.

[BallHawk]

Hillary's head is down........

Trying to impress Bill by doing her best Monica impersonation?

No silly ......she's ducking bullets.

So was Monica.....

[Scott Campbell]

Hillary has a credibility issue. What a great story. Obama ought to just come out and call her a liar.


SNL should have a lot of fun with this one.

[Little Whiskey]

I think she even exaggerated in her response:

"I say a lot of things -- millions of words a day -- so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement,"



So either she lied, or she talks way too much.

Clinton is a female......which means she talks to much

Detroit has too large of a democratic following (ie UAW)......they will vote dem.

[Cheesehead Craig]

The local party officials were wrong. They were told not to move it up or they wouldn't be counted. They ignored the DNC and now face the consequences. It's pretty damn simple.

One thing for sure is that its not simple. I dare you to explain why its simple that New Hampshire was not punished.

Fine, MI screwed everything up by voting that they would hold their primary on 1/15, thus forcing NH by their state law to have their primary on 1/8 (which their law states that they have to be 7 days prior to any other like primary, Iowa is excluded as that is a caucus). So the DNC is going to go after a state for following it's own laws? Given MI wouldn't budge, NH primary had to go on to follow it's own state laws. MI thought they found a loophole as they tried to bring NH down with them by using NH's own laws to force them to violate the DNC rules. The DNC recognized this and thus did not punish NH. There's no double standard here. MI willingly spat in the face of the DNC, refused to budge and now they paid the price.

Simple. Cause and effect.

Again, the voters in MI and FL can take it out on the local party officials come election time.

That doesn't solve the current injustice, and its an important one. MI & FL could make a difference in who is president for the next 8 years.

8 years? Last I heard there was an election 4 years from now. If they wanted to make a difference, their elected officials shouldn't have been so stupid as to go against the DNC when the penalties were laid out for them at the start. They voluntarily took themselves out of the game.

Gotta follow the rules. Without rules we're just a bunch of fat, drunken, stupid, crap-flinging Bears fans.

This is misleading. Rescheduling a voided primary is clearly within the rules. Common sense and fairness suggests the only way to fix the problem was to have a revote. And money wasn't an issue in MI, they already had enough donors.

Sure they could have rescheduled, but the only option in FL was mail-ins and that's against their state law. In MI, it has to pass the legislature and they cannot come to an agreement on what to do. They sure as shit could come to one when they thought they were being cute with being an early "important" primary.

Like I said, I have no sympathy for them. Sure, the voters got hosed. But there were no surprises on what the penalties were going to be. The blame also falls on the voters that they knew the consequences and didn't force their officials to make the changes.

[packinpatland]

I think she even exaggerated in her response:

"I say a lot of things -- millions of words a day -- so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement,"



So either she lied, or she talks way too much.

Clinton is a female......which means she talks to much

Detroit has too large of a democratic following (ie UAW)......they will vote dem.

Talk alot, talk too much.........just tell the truth.

[Joemailman]

The funny thing is Hillary said she made the trip because it was too dangerous for the President. So the President sends his wife and only child? ....."Hi Monica. Bill here. Come on over. I sent Hill and the little brat to Bosnia. Oh, and wear that blue dress I really like."