Fitna: Controversial Film On Islam

[Kiwon]

See for yourself what the fuss is about. It was released on Thursday and pulled on Friday due to death threats against England's ISP employees.

It seems pretty straightforward to me. Facts are stubborn things.

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TxP-SOA0_0

Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkVmBx4dyG0

[Harlan Huckleby]

Islam is in a struggle with itself.

The documentary emphasizes the crazies in the muslim world, and I don't mean to suggest they are just a tiny group.

Why do you suppose we haven't had a major terrorist attack in this country in the last 6 years? Do you believe that our anti-terrorist efforts are so scary-good that we have defeated them? If Madtown can get 400 of his relatives into the country, it can't be THAT hard for terrorists to sneak in.

I think the answer is that the extreme elements in the Islamic world are still relatively weak. We need to have policies that encourage moderates in Islam's internal civil war.

[texaspackerbacker]

Wouldn't you say we are doing just that in Iraq--and Afghanistan and Pakistan and Egypt and Jordan and Iran and just about everywhere else?

The cut and run advocates seem to think Muslims just aren't suited for things like freedom and representative democracy. It may be true that the teachings of Islam tend to poison minds against normalcy. I tend to think, though, that Muslims are first and foremost people, and as such, respond positively to pretty much the same things all people respond positively to--including freedom and having a stake in their own political and economic destiny.

[Harlan Huckleby]

It's not credible to argue that our presence in Iraq has accomplished anything positive in the war on terrorism. Radicals have been strengthened in the Islamic world, relations badly damaged among our traditional allies. It was a misstep.

I bought into the notion of bringing democracy to Iraq. I think Iraq is generally on a positive path. We have to continue to help Iraq on this long, painful journey. I don't believe them Democrats will behave sharply different from the Republicans.

Ironically, if Bush had somehow been more quickly successful in Iraq, he would have overreached in Iran and made an even bigger disaster.

[Iron Mike]

I bought into the notion of bringing democracy to Iraq.

Not me. I think we should have paved the place when we were on our way to Baghdad in the first Gulf War, built some refineries and pumped all of the oil we could've out of both Iraq and Kuwait.

I care more about some cheap gas than I do about the rights of some nomadic herdsman in the desert. And at least I'm honest to myself about it. Whatever happened to "to the Victor go the spoils?"

I'll be willing to bet I'm not the only person here that would rather see gas for less than $2.00/gal than have Achmed have a chance to vote for someone who will screw him over, anyway.

[neil38133]

To bolster Iron Mikes point, all of that oil would still be 1000 feet under the sand if it wasn't for American and British technology and smarts. And the nomads would still be nomads. So an argument could be made that we do have some moral rights here - they own the sand over the oil, but we're the ones who made it worth more than just sand.

[Deputy Nutz]

I am buying less and less of the mild manner peaceful and loving Muslims.

We are coddling muslims in this country alone. Allowing them the right to prayer in schools and public sanctuaries, I mean while other religious activity is being stamped out, but yet the right of muslims to carry on their religous beliefs are being protected.

[GrnBay007]

We are coddling muslims in this country alone. Allowing them the right to prayer in schools and public sanctuaries, mean while other religious activity is being stamped out, but yet the right of muslims to carry on their religous believes are being protected.

Yeah, it's a crock when the boy scouts aren't allowed to have a meeting at the public school after hours if they intend to say the boy scout oath...

On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country...

[Iron Mike]

I am buying less and less of the mild manner peaceful and loving Muslims.

IMO, the whole Middle Eastern problem boils down to Muslim vs. Jew, as it has for thousands of years. We're deluding ourselves to think that we're any more than bit players on this stage.

The only question that can be posed is do we back Isaac or Ishmael?

My sympathies lie with the Israelites.

[Deputy Nutz]

I am buying less and less of the mild manner peaceful and loving Muslims.

IMO, the whole Middle Eastern problem boils down to Muslim vs. Jew, as it has for thousands of years. We're deluding ourselves to think that we're any more than bit players on this stage.

The only question that can be posed is do we back Isaac or Ishmael?

My sympathies lie with the Israelites.

Western Civilization is under attack by their Jihad, and to think it is just about religion is also laughable, lets not forget about the profitable opium fields in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

[Iron Mike]

I am buying less and less of the mild manner peaceful and loving Muslims.

IMO, the whole Middle Eastern problem boils down to Muslim vs. Jew, as it has for thousands of years. We're deluding ourselves to think that we're any more than bit players on this stage.

The only question that can be posed is do we back Isaac or Ishmael?

My sympathies lie with the Israelites.

Western Civilization is under attack by their Jihad, and to think it is just about religion is also laughable, lets not forget about the profitable opium fields in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Ah, but to the Muslim it's ALL about religion. Don't forget that Saudi Arabia is the home of Wahhabism, also known as petro-Islam.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/wahhabism.html

Read what the radical Islamists think about other religions, and then read what moderate Islamists write. Wait a minute, the moderate Islamists don't write anything, they live in fear of the radical Islamists.

Is there such a thing as a moderate Islamist? Because I sure haven't heard from any. All I read about is how much they want to get rid of the Jews.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'll be willing to bet I'm not the only person here that would rather see gas for less than $2.00/gal than have Achmed have a chance to vote for someone who will screw him over, anyway.

If we tried to colonize Iraq and take their oil, we'd be facing global terrorism 1000 times worse than what we see today.Great Britian tried to occupy Iraq back in the twenties, didn't go so well.

The idea of promoting democracy is that democracies are far less likely to start wars. Wars are no damn good for business.

War ! good god, y'all
What is it good for?
Asolutely nothin
Say it, say it now War!

[Deputy Nutz]

I am buying less and less of the mild manner peaceful and loving Muslims.

IMO, the whole Middle Eastern problem boils down to Muslim vs. Jew, as it has for thousands of years. We're deluding ourselves to think that we're any more than bit players on this stage.

The only question that can be posed is do we back Isaac or Ishmael?

My sympathies lie with the Israelites.

Western Civilization is under attack by their Jihad, and to think it is just about religion is also laughable, lets not forget about the profitable opium fields in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Ah, but to the Muslim it's ALL about religion. Don't forget that Saudi Arabia is the home of Wahhabism, also known as petro-Islam.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/wahhabism.html

Read what the radical Islamists think about other religions, and then read what moderate Islamists write. Wait a minute, the moderate Islamists don't write anything, they live in fear of the radical Islamists.

Is there such a thing as a moderate Islamist? Because I sure haven't heard from any. All I read about is how much they want to get rid of the Jews.

You're absolutely right, the average Muslim only understands religion, but the Bin Ladens of the world do these acts of terrorism not only based on religion, but also to protest and protect their other interests outside of religion.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/10/04/MN67246.DTL

[Iron Mike]

You're absolutely right.

You've just moved yourself up to my all-time most-favorite PackerRats poster!!!!!

[Joemailman]

I am buying less and less of the mild manner peaceful and loving Muslims.

We are coddling muslims in this country alone. Allowing them the right to prayer in schools and public sanctuaries, I mean while other religious activity is being stamped out, but yet the right of muslims to carry on their religous beliefs are being protected.

Yep, there are about 5 million Muslims living in this country. And yet the greatest domestic terrorist attack in the history of this country was by a white Christian male who had served in our military. So maybe judging people by stereotypes isn't such a great idea.