Christian Artwork Banned in High School Art Class

[MJZiggy]

Well, to that topic, if a kid drawing a cross into his classroom work is infringing on other students' rights, then what about every church, temple and mosque in the country. What they saw is likely nothing different than they see in their everyday lives anyway, yet these people act like the students are somehow being violated by it? Yeesh.

[Kiwon]

Watch it, MJZ.

You just may go blind! Here is the offensive artwork:



How will these high schools seniors ever survive the psychological harm from this drawing?

[Freak Out]

Watch it, MJZ.

You just may go blind! Here is the offensive artwork:



How will these high schools seniors ever survive the psychological harm from this drawing?

I like it. Looks like an album cover for some bible thumping metal band.

[Oscar]

My take on this..Thinking back some 20plus years since I sat in an art class in high school.....God, (oops I used the G word lol ) who cares.. I'd say the only person who felt the need to make it an issue was the teacher.. I say what the fuck if this dude wants to draw a cross.. Or, if the next guy writes.....whatever... on his land scape thing. Chasing girls, sports, and maybe drinking beer where on my mind...Not what some dick beater who sat next to me drew a picture of... I just find it hard to believe that the students were offended.. Probably wrong... I miss the good old days.

[Oscar]

I'm thinking its on Ozzy's next disk cover... Cool drawing BTW...

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Seems to me that this class wasn't really about creating or appreciating true art if the students have to leave their rights as an American citizens at the door of the school per their teacher.

I despise the notion of a graded art class in high schools...honestly, how does one grade artwork? I also personally believe few high school students today are mature enough to honestly grasp the significance and depth of art. Forcing them to attempt that in a mandatory class seems ridiculous.

I agree with you about grading art. I know someone who takes pictures and keeps asking me if they're good. I say "do you like them?" And that is the only criteria I set. If she likes what she sees then it's good. I think it's good for kids to be exposed to the arts. Let 'em draw whatever. Expose them to art that others have done, the work of the Masters, but don't try to hand out a grade on something that's so subjective.

I would be interested to see what the other drawings from the class looked like, recalling that the assignment was to do a landscape.

While i agree about grading art..this isn't art in that form. This is like the basics of art, ie, figure study. This isn't some sorta picasso interpretation, most likely, of a landscape. The assignment was to draw a landscape...and most likely they are being graded on perspective, shadow, etc.

THis is no different than art classes in college. When you take a figure study class you dont' get to "interpret" the figure..the profs are looking to see that you can draw the figure accurate and get the muscalature, etc.

BTW, notice how the teacher didn't have a problem with the cross..only the verse on the cross.

This is just another christian looking to be persecuted. And, if he really had problem, why not address it when he signed up for the class and the teacher posted the requirements of attending.

And, i GUARANTEE that if a non-christian had produced a drawing of a landscape with something offensive to his christian sensibility he wouldn't be defending that student's right as an artist..and free speech. It would then be a "hate crime," etc...and that it was further proof of hostility to christians.

[Oscar]

I thought is read that the cross was an issue as well..I'll read the article again..

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I thought is read that the cross was an issue as well..I'll read the article again..

Maybe i'm wrong, but i took reference to the bible as the issue.

"His teacher, Julie Millin, asked him to remove the reference to the Bible, saying students were making remarks about it. He refused, and she gave him a zero on the project."

A cross or a building could certainly be part of a landscape, but a verse..not so much.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Watch it, MJZ.

You just may go blind! Here is the offensive artwork:



How will these high schools seniors ever survive the psychological harm from this drawing?

Lets say that instead of a cross, there was a representation of a penis. And we'll go with the phallic graphic that Skinbasket had in his SIG that caused mass hysteria and censorship here at PackerRats.

Do you think the school prohibiting that graphic in an art pic would have been a big story?

The people excited about this story do not care about censorship. They are pissed-off that religion is excluded from public schools.

Maybe art class is the exception to the rule where you allow religious expression.

[Oscar]

I thought is read that the cross was an issue as well..I'll read the article again..

Maybe i'm wrong, but i took reference to the bible as the issue.

"His teacher, Julie Millin, asked him to remove the reference to the Bible, saying students were making remarks about it. He refused, and she gave him a zero on the project."

A cross or a building could certainly be part of a landscape, but a verse..not so much.

I agree with you on that Ty. I just did a cemetery landscape scene on a guitar...Looks cool.. Has a few crosses...I just can't get the fact that these young people were offended..Its one thing to try an "preach" your opinions about religion ..It's another..(to me) to draw them.. I'm sure I'm missing the point..lol

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I thought is read that the cross was an issue as well..I'll read the article again..

Maybe i'm wrong, but i took reference to the bible as the issue.

"His teacher, Julie Millin, asked him to remove the reference to the Bible, saying students were making remarks about it. He refused, and she gave him a zero on the project."

A cross or a building could certainly be part of a landscape, but a verse..not so much.

I agree with you on that Ty. I just did a cemetery landscape scene on a guitar...Looks cool.. Has a few crosses...I just can't get the fact that these young people were offended..Its one thing to try an "preach" your opinions about religion ..It's another..(to me) to draw them.. I'm sure I'm missing the point..lol

THat is exactly it. If he had merely left the crosses, that insn't preaching. He certainly could have left out a mosque, stars of david, wiccan symbols, etc. But, a verse is directly preaching. While for many of us non-christians..John 3:16 is mostly remembered for the rainbow wigged loon at sporting events...you should know that it basically says that if you don't believe in jesus you won't have eternal life. That is preaching my brother! Can i get an AMEN!!

I think from reading this article that this kid was pretty persistent in his goals of exposing the "truth" to his fellow students. And, if you are one of those kinds you are apt to get some negative feedback. I for one, was angry at my teachers a couple of times, but i never resorted to aggression nor defiance like tearing up a a school policy in front of the teacher. Does that sound like a mellow, jesus freak to you?

My guess is that the kids were long tired of his antics and saw this as chance to nail him according to the "law."

I say good for them.

[Harlan Huckleby]

If I were the kid, I would show up at art class dressed as Jesus. A real crown of thorns. A cross, if i could get it in. A real blood trickle. Tell the instructor that it's a performance piece, and he should back off.

[Oscar]

I thought is read that the cross was an issue as well..I'll read the article again..

Maybe i'm wrong, but i took reference to the bible as the issue.

"His teacher, Julie Millin, asked him to remove the reference to the Bible, saying students were making remarks about it. He refused, and she gave him a zero on the project."

A cross or a building could certainly be part of a landscape, but a verse..not so much.

I agree with you on that Ty. I just did a cemetery landscape scene on a guitar...Looks cool.. Has a few crosses...I just can't get the fact that these young people were offended..Its one thing to try an "preach" your opinions about religion ..It's another..(to me) to draw them.. I'm sure I'm missing the point..lol

THat is exactly it. If he had merely left the crosses, that insn't preaching. He certainly could have left out a mosque, stars of david, wiccan symbols, etc. But, a verse is directly preaching. While for many of us non-christians..John 3:16 is mostly remembered for the rainbow wigged loon at sporting events...you should know that it basically says that if you don't believe in jesus you won't have eternal life. That is preaching my brother! Can i get an AMEN!!

I think from reading this article that this kid was pretty persistent in his goals of exposing the "truth" to his fellow students. And, if you are one of those kinds you are apt to get some negative feedback. I for one, was angry at my teachers a couple of times, but i never resorted to aggression nor defiance like tearing up a a school policy in front of the teacher. Does that sound like a mellow, jesus freak to you?

My guess is that the kids were long tired of his antics and saw this as chance to nail him according to the "law."

I say good for them.

I have no interest in arguing. My only point was that I couldn't understand why the others gave a shit what the kid drew.. By your example you give those the right to lash out out at the kids that wear black and have piercings. Because there tired of there antics?? I just don't see a drawing as that big a deal.. I also see no need in continuing here. Game, Set, Match my friend..You win..

[BallHawk]

If I were the kid, I would show up at art class dressed as Jesus. A real crown of thorns. A cross, if i could get it in. A real blood trickle. Tell the instructor that it's a performance piece, and he should back off.

If he actually did that I think the classmates could assist with the blood trickle...

But, honestly, there's two sides to the story. I can see both sides, though I'd be more willing to side with the teacher.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I thought is read that the cross was an issue as well..I'll read the article again..

Maybe i'm wrong, but i took reference to the bible as the issue.

"His teacher, Julie Millin, asked him to remove the reference to the Bible, saying students were making remarks about it. He refused, and she gave him a zero on the project."

A cross or a building could certainly be part of a landscape, but a verse..not so much.

I agree with you on that Ty. I just did a cemetery landscape scene on a guitar...Looks cool.. Has a few crosses...I just can't get the fact that these young people were offended..Its one thing to try an "preach" your opinions about religion ..It's another..(to me) to draw them.. I'm sure I'm missing the point..lol

THat is exactly it. If he had merely left the crosses, that insn't preaching. He certainly could have left out a mosque, stars of david, wiccan symbols, etc. But, a verse is directly preaching. While for many of us non-christians..John 3:16 is mostly remembered for the rainbow wigged loon at sporting events...you should know that it basically says that if you don't believe in jesus you won't have eternal life. That is preaching my brother! Can i get an AMEN!!

I think from reading this article that this kid was pretty persistent in his goals of exposing the "truth" to his fellow students. And, if you are one of those kinds you are apt to get some negative feedback. I for one, was angry at my teachers a couple of times, but i never resorted to aggression nor defiance like tearing up a a school policy in front of the teacher. Does that sound like a mellow, jesus freak to you?

My guess is that the kids were long tired of his antics and saw this as chance to nail him according to the "law."

I say good for them.

I have no interest in arguing. My only point was that I couldn't understand why the others gave a shit what the kid drew.. By your example you give those the right to lash out out at the kids that wear black and have piercings. Because there tired of there antics?? I just don't see a drawing as that big a deal.. I also see no need in continuing here. Game, Set, Match my friend..You win..

I think you are misunderstanding. I'm not arguing, merely giving you an explanation as to the "why" the kids would care.

While it may not be a big deal...my guess, as I stated before, is that this kid has long been pushing his agenda (no different than any other person pushing an agenda) and the kids were tired of it. Once they saw an opportunity to put him in his place..they took it. That is what smart, smart alecky, independent, artsy kids do.