Out of Iraq

[texaspackerbacker]

Of all the rationalizations made to justify this war, the one Tex makes is the most morally bankrupt. The idea we should start a war In Iraq so that we can fight Al-Qaeda there, so that the ones dying are innocent Iraqis, can only be justified if you believe that Iraqi lives are disposable. Perhaps Tex feels that as long as we're killing Muslims, it's all good.

Joe, you aren't listening. Do you know what HINDSIGHT means? Did I say we went to war for the reasons you claim I said? HELL NO! I said, IN HINDSIGHT, al Qaeda made Iraq in the words of Bin Laden, the "central front" in his jihad against America. Thanks to that al Qaeda decision, they de-prioritized hitting us at home, saving huge numbers of American lives--which seems to be very UNIMPORTANT to you leftists.

Harlan, you said there are currently no proposals out their for rapid withdrawal of troops. It depends on what you mean by "rapid" and "currently". If you recall, in the early Democrat debates--when they had 9 or 10 candidates, they were literally falling all over each other--including Obama and Hillary--as to who could get the troops out quickest--never mind any concept of defeat, surrender, or consequences. Now, you STILL have a consistent Dem theme of a timetable--which, of course, is STILL clearly deleterious to America and Americans--not that they care.

[texaspackerbacker]

Tex is just a war monger. If we accomplish our objectives in Iraq and leave, he'll just say we should invade some other third world country who poses no threat to America so that would be terrorists would be too scared to attack us. And when we level that country, we should just move on to the next one. And so on and so forth, because as long as we are flexing our military might there's nobody who will bring thier murderous acts to American soil. It doesn't matter the country, as long as they've never attacked America and couldn't if they wanted to - but is an Islamic nation, justifying our invasion. Because the day that America isn't at war with SOMEBODY is the day that all the worlds terrorists come to America. Isn't that right Tex?

Anyone who feels differently is obviously opposed to Bush and his polocies, and therefore hates America. Meaning anyone who dares to form thier own opinion hates America. Wait a minute... anyone who excersises thier American right to free choice and free speech is ANTI-American???

That's the gist of what I've gotten from all of his rants anyway. That GW should be commended for remaining at war because that and that alone is the sole reason nobody has carried out another mass murder the likes of 9/11. There is absolutely no way that beefed up security at airports and seaports, not to mention much more thorough customs checks, no there's no way that any of these non-violent security measures could have had anything to do with the fact that there hasn't been another 9/11. We had to remain at war to protect ourselves. And anyone who feels differently about it HATES America.

Certainly the number of American GI's who die on the front lines in an endless war could never dwarf the number of American civilians who died on 9/11.

Oh wait...

I'm tempted to just agree with everything you claimed and say the hell with it.

While the LINK, as I have patiently explained several times, between the war in Iraq and preventing terrorism indeed is al Qaeda's decision to disrupt things there rather than hit us here, it's an interesting question as to whether or not acts of terror would be imminent. The other parts of the formula--which YOUR leftist asshole politicians also OPPOSED, and which, of course were planned and carried out by the Bush Administration--were enhanced security domestically, including surveillance of terrorist communications, AND harsh interrogation and secure warehousing of terrorists at Guantanamo. With those factors still in place, as well as the extreme damage done to al Qaeda in Iraq and elsewhere, hopefully we would be safe without another war. Thus, I would NOT favor war just for the sake of going to war. On the other hand, if there were a good reason, maybe even just a good excuse, I sure wouldn't be opposed to it.

Unlike you leftists, I care a helluva lot more about preventing the murdering of Americans than I do avoiding killing Muslims.

And regarding your last line, Gunakor, yeah, after about 6 years or so, the number of troops killed--volunteer troops who knew what they were getting into for the sake of their families and country--finally exceeded the number of innocent Americans MURDERED one morning in September 2001. How many more innocent Americans would have been murdered if we had done things the Democrat way? Oh yeah, you don't care about that, do you?

[Freak Out]

Our troop levels in Iraq are unsustainable and HAVE damaged our readiness to meet other threats. That's what is deleterious to America.

[texaspackerbacker]

Our troop levels in Iraq are unsustainable and HAVE damaged our readiness to meet other threats. That's what is deleterious to America.

That's absolutely UNTRUE. It's just the latest sick demagogic mantra of the anti-war leftists--who really couldn't care less about the "readiness" of our military.

We have a corps plus another division in Germany and another division in Korea that could easily be redeployed elsewhere. We have 3 to 4 times the regular army troops stationed in the U.S. than are in Iraq. Fully 2/3 of the Marines are elsewhere. And our navy and air force probably would be capable by themselves of decimating any other potential enemy in a conventional war. And that's not even mentioning nukes.

Don't believe all the CRAP the leftists spew.

[oregonpackfan]

Our troop levels in Iraq are unsustainable and HAVE damaged our readiness to meet other threats.

About 3 days ago, I saw a TV interview with Colin Powell. He used almost exactly the same quote to describe the American troop levels in Iraq.

Texas, I would hardly describe Colin Powell as a "leftist liberal." He is a former general and a former Secretary of State under George W. Bush.

[Joemailman]

Obviously Colin Powell has been brainwashed by the left-wing, hate America media.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Al - Sadr: Troops Should Get Jobs Back
Published: April 14, 2008

NAJAF, Iraq (AP) -- Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr is demanding the Iraqi government reinstate all security forces fired for deserting during fighting in Basra.

Monday's statement comes a day after more than 1,300 soldiers and policemen were sacked for abandoning their posts or refusing to fight when clashes broke out.

The anti-U.S. cleric says those who gave up their arms ''were only obeying their grand religious leaders'' and ''were driven by their religious duties.''

He says in a statement issued by his office in holy city of Najaf that they should be reinstated and even rewarded for their loyalty.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Obviously Colin Powell has been brainwashed by the left-wing, hate America media.

Fuck. They got to him as well. Is no one safe from the left-wing, america hating media?

How can I, a normal, pro-american crackhead resist the wiley and pernicious left wing, 'merica hatin media.

[texaspackerbacker]

Have you guys not heard the rumors that Powell is likely to endorse Obama?

Yes, Colin Powell indeed has been sounding like a leftist lately--after a career as a good loyal American, but he's threatening to undue all that now.

Basixally, though, what you guys are doing is what you always do: AVOIDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE DISCUSSION--the availability and readiness of our troops--and trying to divert things.

If Powell has that take on things for any reason at all other than demagoguery, it is the idea that we can't pull troops out of Germany--which, of course, we did during the Gulf War--when, by the way, we had over 700,000 troops committed to the middle east. Now you guys are whining that we can "sustain 140,000"? Come on!

[texaspackerbacker]

Al - Sadr: Troops Should Get Jobs Back
Published: April 14, 2008

NAJAF, Iraq (AP) -- Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr is demanding the Iraqi government reinstate all security forces fired for deserting during fighting in Basra.

Monday's statement comes a day after more than 1,300 soldiers and policemen were sacked for abandoning their posts or refusing to fight when clashes broke out.

The anti-U.S. cleric says those who gave up their arms ''were only obeying their grand religious leaders'' and ''were driven by their religious duties.''

He says in a statement issued by his office in holy city of Najaf that they should be reinstated and even rewarded for their loyalty.

If I was al Maliki--or the Americans advising him, I would throw a bone to al Sadr and give in on this. Al Sadr has done more than his share of compromising lately, after all. And it's not a bad idea to keep 1,300 police whose training was invested in, and who may well have had religious objections to fighting fellow Shi'ites. It's all about unity and inclusiveness, right?

[Freak Out]

Have you guys not heard the rumors that Powell is likely to endorse Obama?

Yes, Colin Powell indeed has been sounding like a leftist lately--after a career as a good loyal American, but he's threatening to undue all that now.

Basixally, though, what you guys are doing is what you always do: AVOIDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE DISCUSSION--the availability and readiness of our troops--and trying to divert things.

If Powell has that take on things for any reason at all other than demagoguery, it is the idea that we can't pull troops out of Germany--which, of course, we did during the Gulf War--when, by the way, we had over 700,000 troops committed to the middle east. Now you guys are whining that we can "sustain 140,000"? Come on!

How long was the first gulf war and what country did we occupy? How many tours of duty did the National Guard do?

[texaspackerbacker]

What are you driving at, Freakout? What are your questions relevant to?

To the best of my recollection, that 700,000+ troops didn't even include National Guard and Reserves--which obviously are in the pool now. Are you trying to say that because we didn't occupy Iraq to any significant degree back then that it takes more troops now? Yes, that's a valid point, but 140,000 compared to 700,000? Not even counting Guard or Reserves? That's more than 5 rotations! I'd call that sustainability, wouldn't you?

[GoPackGo]

I normally don't get involved in political discussions online but what the hey

It is my opinion that we need to get out of Iraq as soon as possible-
these are my 7 reasons
1.We waged a war based on false intelligence
2.We don't have the leadership to run our country and rebuild Iraq simultaneously
3.We can't afford to borrow money to wage a war and rebuild a country
4.We had very little world support before we decided to invade and occupy
5. Our country was founded on the premise that America would be free. why do many think we had to make the rest of the world free too?
6. the war in Iraq isn't making america safer, The new laws and increased national security budget is
7.We have more important issues to deal with on the homeland(energy crisis, healthcare crisis, what to do with all of the illegals)

If I'm wrong please tell me why

[Deputy Nutz]

I normally don't get involved in political discussions online but what the hey

It is my opinion that we need to get out of Iraq as soon as possible-
these are my 7 reasons
1.We waged a war based on false intelligence
2.We don't have the leadership to run our country and rebuild Iraq simultaneously
3.We can't afford to borrow money to wage a war and rebuild a country
4.We had very little world support before we decided to invade and occupy
5. Our country was founded on the premise that America would be free. why do many think we had to make the rest of the world free too?
6. the war in Iraq isn't making america safer, The new laws and increased national security budget is
7.We have more important issues to deal with on the homeland(energy crisis, healthcare crisis, what to do with all of the illegals)

If I'm wrong please tell me why

You are sooo wrong, definitely brainwashed, yes brainwashed, turn on Charlie Sykes pronto![/code]

[GoPackGo]

You are sooo wrong, definitely brainwashed, yes brainwashed, turn on Charlie Sykes pronto!

Are you agreeing with me ?