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  • Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
    I think it went up while I was typing.
    Tex, you really need to stop getting off on typing posts.
    My signature has NUDITY in it...whatcha gonna do?

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    • Uh .......... you leave me speechless.
      What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?

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      • Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
        Originally posted by hoosier
        Originally posted by Zool
        Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
        There you guys go AGAIN--diverting from the present and seizing on a basically casual comment I made about Germany not attacking us directly. Yeah, sure, the U-Boats sinking merchant ships stuff was true, as well as the covert activities. I think it's a safe assumption we had a few covert things going against Saddam too, and for sure, Saddam was paying bounties to the families of suicide bombers and probably a whole lot more.

        The point is the SIMILARITY.

        That whole discussion, though, is insignificant compared to the original point of this thread: A Benefit versus Cost analysis of the war in Iraq.

        And in that arena, the ONLY ways you come out AGAINST the war is if you totally discount the value of American lives save by preventing terrorist hits against America or if you are in total DENIAL of the portion of contribution to preventing those acts of terror that comes from having al Qaeda choose messing up Iraq over hitting us at home.

        Leftists in this forum and outside of it would probably take those ludicrous positions, but they would be WRONG.
        God DAMN it must be a burden to be you. I applaud you for putting up with it.
        LOL
        Can I take that as your plaintiff wail of surrender? If so, just for yourself, or for the whole leftist faction?
        Can we take your malaprops as a sign of conservative education or just your's?

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        • Originally posted by Zool
          Ohh no, everyone that disagrees with Tex on anything is a leftist commie scumbag. Whether or not you identify yourself that way, you are one. Just ask him.

          BTW Tex ol' boy, not everyone defines themselves by some sort of outdated 2 party political system. Some of us have actual brains that function. We can see something on each side thats good and bad. It doesnt always have to be us against them you elitist douche bag. Listen carefully now, you're NOT better than anyone else despite what you think. Your shit stinks just the same as mine, well maybe less. I had mexican lastnight and I love me some refried beans. I know this wont make a dent and you'll come back with something totally off the wall that will make me laugh, but I felt like typing it. Its the exact same thing I've typed many times over to deebs like you. You'd think I would get tired of typing it, but no. I'm a masochist.
          You're a fucking leftist, comrade!

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          • Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
            Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
            Originally posted by hoosier
            Originally posted by Zool
            Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
            There you guys go AGAIN--diverting from the present and seizing on a basically casual comment I made about Germany not attacking us directly. Yeah, sure, the U-Boats sinking merchant ships stuff was true, as well as the covert activities. I think it's a safe assumption we had a few covert things going against Saddam too, and for sure, Saddam was paying bounties to the families of suicide bombers and probably a whole lot more.

            The point is the SIMILARITY.

            That whole discussion, though, is insignificant compared to the original point of this thread: A Benefit versus Cost analysis of the war in Iraq.

            And in that arena, the ONLY ways you come out AGAINST the war is if you totally discount the value of American lives save by preventing terrorist hits against America or if you are in total DENIAL of the portion of contribution to preventing those acts of terror that comes from having al Qaeda choose messing up Iraq over hitting us at home.

            Leftists in this forum and outside of it would probably take those ludicrous positions, but they would be WRONG.
            God DAMN it must be a burden to be you. I applaud you for putting up with it.
            LOL
            Can I take that as your plaintiff wail of surrender? If so, just for yourself, or for the whole leftist faction?
            Can we take your malaprops as a sign of conservative education or just your's?
            It isn't "malaprops"; It's "malapropism". If you even know what a malapropism is, please cite one in something I wrote.
            What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?

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            • Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
              Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
              Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
              Originally posted by hoosier
              Originally posted by Zool
              Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
              There you guys go AGAIN--diverting from the present and seizing on a basically casual comment I made about Germany not attacking us directly. Yeah, sure, the U-Boats sinking merchant ships stuff was true, as well as the covert activities. I think it's a safe assumption we had a few covert things going against Saddam too, and for sure, Saddam was paying bounties to the families of suicide bombers and probably a whole lot more.

              The point is the SIMILARITY.

              That whole discussion, though, is insignificant compared to the original point of this thread: A Benefit versus Cost analysis of the war in Iraq.

              And in that arena, the ONLY ways you come out AGAINST the war is if you totally discount the value of American lives save by preventing terrorist hits against America or if you are in total DENIAL of the portion of contribution to preventing those acts of terror that comes from having al Qaeda choose messing up Iraq over hitting us at home.

              Leftists in this forum and outside of it would probably take those ludicrous positions, but they would be WRONG.
              God DAMN it must be a burden to be you. I applaud you for putting up with it.
              LOL
              Can I take that as your plaintiff wail of surrender? If so, just for yourself, or for the whole leftist faction?
              Can we take your malaprops as a sign of conservative education or just your's?
              It isn't "malaprops"; It's "malapropism". If you even know what a malapropism is, please cite one in something I wrote.
              Please, don't come unarmed to a fight. It would be correct to say malaprops. Check out dictionary.com

              Next, point out...which one? Let's start off with "plaintiff" wail.

              A plaintiff is a person who brings suit in a court.

              The word you meant to use was plaintive...expressing sorrow or melancholy; mournful

              Come back anytime. But, i would suggest you actually learn your mother tongue before challenging me.

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              • OK, you got me there. I was just taking a line from some old cowboy song about coyotes howling--or is it coyotes hauling? Naw, that's the illegals thread.

                Kick me in the ass for trying to use floury language ....... you know, floury language--the way white people talk.
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                • Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
                  OK, you got me there. I was just taking a line from some old cowboy song about coyotes howling--or is it coyotes hauling? Naw, that's the illegals thread.

                  Kick me in the ass for trying to use floury language ....... you know, floury language--the way white people talk.
                  Wow. Another malaprop.

                  The word is flowery.

                  Best to keep it to simple words. Like your arguments, things get a bit muddled when you trying getting complicated.

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                  • Duh. That one was on purpose. FLOURY--the way white people talk--flour being white.

                    It's pretty sad when I have to explain the joke to you.

                    Did you get the howling/hauling one?
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                    • Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
                      Duh. That one was on purpose. FLOURY--the way white people talk--flour being white.

                      It's pretty sad when I have to explain the joke to you.

                      Did you get the howling/hauling one?
                      When you make as many errors as you...it is hard discern.

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                      • Could you, by chance, point out another?
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                        • Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
                          Could you, by chance, point out another?
                          Sure, i'd be happy to go through all your posts.

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                          • This is a recent article dealing with the financial impact of the Iraq War--much of the reconstruction money financed by American taxpayers is being wasted.

                            Investigators: Millions in Iraq contracts never finished
                            By HOPE YEN, AP
                            2 hours ago

                            WASHINGTON — Millions of dollars of lucrative Iraq reconstruction contracts were never finished because of excessive delays, poor performance or other factors, including failed projects that are being falsely described by the U.S. government as complete, federal investigators say.

                            The audit released Sunday by Stuart Bowen Jr., the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction, provides the latest snapshot of an uneven reconstruction effort that has cost U.S. taxpayers more than $100 billion. It also comes as several lawmakers have said they want the Iraqis to pick up more of the cost of reconstruction.

                            The special IG's review of 47,321 reconstruction projects worth billions of dollars found that at least 855 contracts were terminated by U.S. officials before their completion, primarily because of unforeseen factors such as violence and excessive costs. About 112 of those agreements were ended specifically because of the contractors' actual or anticipated poor performance.

                            In addition, the audit said many reconstruction projects were being described as complete or otherwise successful when they were not. In one case, the U.S. Agency for International Development contracted with Bechtel Corp. in 2004 to construct a $50 million children's hospital in Basra, only to "essentially terminate" the project in 2006 because of monthslong delays.

                            But rather than terminate the project, U.S. officials modified the contract to change the scope of the work. As a result, a U.S. database of Iraq reconstruction contracts shows the project as complete "when in fact the hospital was only 35 percent complete when work was stopped," said investigators in describing the practice of "descoping" as frequent.

                            "Descoping is an appropriate process but does mask problem projects to the extent they occur," the audit states.

                            Responding, USAID in the report said it disagreed that its descoping of the hospital project was "effectively a contract termination," but that it had changed the work because of escalating costs and security problems. Mark Tokola, the director of the Iraq transition assistance office, also responded that the database the IG's office reviewed of Iraq reconstruction contracts was incomplete.

                            Bowen's office said its review was preliminary and that it planned follow-up reviews to investigate descoping more closely. Investigators said they were also looking into whether contractors whose projects were terminated by the U.S. government due to inadequate performance might have been awarded new contracts later despite their poor records.

                            Investigators said the database they reviewed lacked full data on projects such as those done by USAID, the State Department, and those completed before 2006. But they said the figures cited in the report offered a baseline in terms of unfinished Iraq reconstruction contracts.

                            "Adding contract terminations from these (other) sources would certainly raise the number of terminated projects," the report states.

                            The audit comes amid renewed focus in recent months on potential abuse in contracting government-wide, such as Iraq reconstruction. Last year, congressional investigators said as much as $10 billion — or one in six dollars — charged by U.S. contractors for Iraq reconstruction were questionable or unsupported, and warned that significantly more taxpayer money was at risk.

                            In recent weeks, Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., has been working with Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., and Susan Collins, R-Maine, on legislation that would restrict future reconstruction dollars to loans instead of grants; require that Baghdad pay for fuel used by American troops and take over U.S. payments to predominantly Sunni fighters in the Awakening movement.

                            Danielle Brian, executive director of the watchdog group Project on Government Oversight, said the latest audit report points to significant U.S. taxpayer waste in current reconstruction efforts.

                            "The report paints a depressing picture of money being poured into failed Iraq reconstruction projects — contractors are killed, projects are blown up just before being completed, or the contractor just stops doing the work," she said.

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                            On the Net:

                            Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction:

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