F*cking Art Students

[Zool]

No TB(you must love Terry Bradshaw).

I'm talking about the "performance artist". She is to performing art what Gwar is to heavy metal.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

No TB(you must love Terry Bradshaw).

I'm talking about the "performance artist". She is to performing art what Gwar is to heavy metal.

Who are you to judge?

The criteria for her piece is the melee it created. Obviously on that criteria she was a resounding success.

Performance art is art in which the actions of an individual or a group at a particular place and in a particular time constitute the work. We the observers are the art..fox news, packer rats, media, etc.

Inherent in PA is shocking audiences into reassessing their own notions of art and its relation to culture. Again, a complete success on her part.

Let's stop with the bashing..she didn't drag this out for a week or so..she made Fox and others look foolish for running a story without really checking up on it. Better to have waited for the "piece" to have debuted. She exposed inherent biases and got people riled up. Look at Kiwon's post..that is just classic. Her words..not actions, did just that.

The IDEA of what she proposed was so shocking that most people turned their brains off..or fell into hysterical positions.

Those of us with a brain recognized immediately what this was...and, i'm sorry to have witnessed so few PR's figure it out. Isn't that really part of her piece as well? The anger and attitudes expressed her and part of her work.

As for Gwar, i love them.

Course they aren't Upper Crust...http://www.juvalamu.com/crust/...but, who is.

[Deputy Nutz]

No TB(you must love Terry Bradshaw).

I'm talking about the "performance artist". She is to performing art what Gwar is to heavy metal.

Who are you to judge?

The criteria for her piece is the melee it created. Obviously on that criteria she was a resounding success.

Performance art is art in which the actions of an individual or a group at a particular place and in a particular time constitute the work. We the observers are the art..fox news, packer rats, media, etc.

Inherent in PA is shocking audiences into reassessing their own notions of art and its relation to culture. Again, a complete success on her part.

Let's stop with the bashing..she didn't drag this out for a week or so..she made Fox and others look foolish for running a story without really checking up on it. Better to have waited for the "piece" to have debuted. She exposed inherent biases and got people riled up. Look at Kiwon's post..that is just classic. Her words..not actions, did just that.

The IDEA of what she proposed was so shocking that most people turned their brains off..or fell into hysterical positions.

Those of us with a brain recognized immediately what this was...and, i'm sorry to have witnessed so few PR's figure it out. Isn't that really part of her piece as well? The anger and attitudes expressed her and part of her work.

As for Gwar, i love them.

Course they aren't Upper Crust...http://www.juvalamu.com/crust/...but, who is.

I knew it wasn't real, tasted like chicken.

[Zool]

As for Gwar, i love them.

Nuff said

[Tyrone Bigguns]

As for Gwar, i love them.

Nuff said

Well, let me rephrase..as an act i like them. I don't think much of the music..but, i don't think the music is the point.

When i first saw them...way back in the 90s with Killing Joke opening...it was a wall of sound/distortion...i couldn't even distinguish a melody.

[Zool]

Exactly! Nothing of substance will ever come of their music. Nothing of substance will ever come of her art. If she's really in it to make people dialog, wouldnt she have turned down a banquet?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Exactly! Nothing of substance will ever come of their music. Nothing of substance will ever come of her art. If she's really in it to make people dialog, wouldnt she have turned down a banquet?

Gwar has been performing for years. That is success. And, Gwar isn't about music..it is about performance...so, your analogy is a bit off.

As for banquest. What are you talking about? There was suppose to be a reception as the gallery...pretty standard stuff for an artist's installation.

Do you think the installation is going up? Therefore, no reception like that. Most likely she will be at a reception to talk about the piece..answer questions, etc.

You are really not getting it.

[SkinBasket]

You are really not getting it.

I think it's more a matter of what people consider "art" more than someone "not getting it." Some self-important art student lying about doing something disturbing isn't art of any sort as far as I'm concerned. It's a gimmick to get herself attention.

What dialog did she start that is useful in any way to society, art, or "performance art" other than the one we seem to be having here which seems to be "Is performance art good for anything other than promoting performance art?"

I suppose Partial should start his own art school for rick rolling people if tricking someone into believing your telling them the truth about something they should have no reason to lie about is all it takes.

[SkinBasket]

Mimes everywhere are probably feeling a little uneasy right now.

[The Leaper]

Guess who was right again...Leaper. You should realize now, after the whole Sean Taylor thing, that this crackhead has a nose for these kind of things.

If you have a nose for my deuces, I can give you a call the next time I'm about to take a shit.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You are really not getting it.

I think it's more a matter of what people consider "art" more than someone "not getting it." Some self-important art student lying about doing something disturbing isn't art of any sort as far as I'm concerned. It's a gimmick to get herself attention.

What dialog did she start that is useful in any way to society, art, or "performance art" other than the one we seem to be having here which seems to be "Is performance art good for anything other than promoting performance art?"

I suppose Partial should start his own art school for rick rolling people if tricking someone into believing your telling them the truth about something they should have no reason to lie about is all it takes.

Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Performance art has long been established as viable and real. I'm sorry if cretins need their art to be literal or what they are exposed to...i'm sure a sofa sized painting is available for 30 bucks at the Cairn art festival will suffice.

I find it odd that you label her self important. THat is a judgement that would seem to be...well, beyond your ability as you dont' know her. Or, more to the point..most art students are just that..no matter their medium. So, why single her out?

dialogue: are you kidding. she started a dialogue regarding the form and function of a woman's body.

But, i do agree that it is a great publicity stunt..and that is the point. Because it is something so awful..and that is what makes it great. Othewise, we wouldn't be having a discussion about the form and function of a woman's body..who wants to go to a lecture about reproductive freedom?

Those who i respect seem to feel that she did something great. Stross thinks it was the greatest PR stunt since Hirst, while Ellis wonders if she is the first great conceptual artist of the internet age.

As for partial..maybe. However this artist clearly had a plan..talked with advisors, etc...visual pieces, press releases, and narrative elements.

THink about it...she did this so well that bloggers and Fox jumped on it. That is the work of someone who put in the time and the work.

[SkinBasket]

Performance art has long been established as viable and real. I'm sorry if cretins need their art to be literal or what they are exposed to...i'm sure a sofa sized painting is available for 30 bucks at the Cairn art festival will suffice.

I think it's probably more accurate to say performance art has long been established as viable and real by people who believe in performance art. Just like witches believe in magic, little girls believe in unicorns, and Partial believes that a little financial planning can give anyone a life of wealth and ease.

I find it odd that you label her self important. THat is a judgement that would seem to be...well, beyond your ability as you dont' know her. Or, more to the point..most art students are just that..no matter their medium. So, why single her out?

Her actions are self important to someone like me who doesn't believe that what she's doing serves any function, artistic or otherwise. If I singled her out, I didn't mean to. I hate most art students. I had to live with one for a couple years so I saw a lot of garbage, laziness, and stupidity passed off as "art." I guess that's what this seems to be to me, using the concept of art as an excuse to do something that's more of a social awareness campaign at best, and a bad April fool's joke two weeks too late at worst.

dialogue: are you kidding. she started a dialogue regarding the form and function of a woman's body.

I'm not kidding. She got nutz to admit he wants to eat dead babies. Mostly it seems people are more interested in talking about what a fuck up she is instead of the form and function of the female body. I suppose people like Harlan might sit around eating cheese and wearing berets in a smoke free jazz bar and talk about the implications her stunt has on how we view a woman pretending to use her body as a baby killing machine instead of a baby making machine, but it seems most people are more concerned with the gimmick instead of the message - which is the "artist's" problem, not the people being subjected to her work.

Those who i respect seem to feel that she did something great. Stross thinks it was the greatest PR stunt since Hirst, while Ellis wonders if she is the first great conceptual artist of the internet age.

And with the divide between us and our belief in performance art comes a very different reaction from me. Comments like these come across as a limited group of people who believe they're in a morally superior position to society patting each other on the back for propagating their own self-serving medium.

Of course, I have no idea who those people are you're referencing... so take that!


Anyway, I suppose it comes down to whether you believe that performance art is a real means of communicating something... artistic? Obviously if you feel it exists, you can appreciate what she did. But if you don't buy social propoganda as an art form, there's little to find that's artistic here. And I think that's where a majority of the debate is centering - not on some claim about creating dialog about form and function of a woman's body.

BTW, can you pick me up one of those sofa paintings? Something with lots of greens and purples. I'll pay for shipping.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Performance art has long been established as viable and real. I'm sorry if cretins need their art to be literal or what they are exposed to...i'm sure a sofa sized painting is available for 30 bucks at the Cairn art festival will suffice.

I think it's probably more accurate to say performance art has long been established as viable and real by people who believe in performance art. Just like witches believe in magic, little girls believe in unicorns, and Partial believes that a little financial planning can give anyone a life of wealth and ease.

I find it odd that you label her self important. THat is a judgement that would seem to be...well, beyond your ability as you dont' know her. Or, more to the point..most art students are just that..no matter their medium. So, why single her out?

Her actions are self important to someone like me who doesn't believe that what she's doing serves any function, artistic or otherwise. If I singled her out, I didn't mean to. I hate most art students. I had to live with one for a couple years so I saw a lot of garbage, laziness, and stupidity passed off as "art." I guess that's what this seems to be to me, using the concept of art as an excuse to do something that's more of a social awareness campaign at best, and a bad April fool's joke two weeks too late at worst.

dialogue: are you kidding. she started a dialogue regarding the form and function of a woman's body.

I'm not kidding. She got nutz to admit he wants to eat dead babies. Mostly it seems people are more interested in talking about what a fuck up she is instead of the form and function of the female body. I suppose people like Harlan might sit around eating cheese and wearing berets in a smoke free jazz bar and talk about the implications her stunt has on how we view a woman pretending to use her body as a baby killing machine instead of a baby making machine, but it seems most people are more concerned with the gimmick instead of the message - which is the "artist's" problem, not the people being subjected to her work.

Those who i respect seem to feel that she did something great. Stross thinks it was the greatest PR stunt since Hirst, while Ellis wonders if she is the first great conceptual artist of the internet age.

And with the divide between us and our belief in performance art comes a very different reaction from me. Comments like these come across as a limited group of people who believe they're in a morally superior position to society patting each other on the back for propagating their own self-serving medium.

Of course, I have no idea who those people are you're referencing... so take that!


Anyway, I suppose it comes down to whether you believe that performance art is a real means of communicating something... artistic? Obviously if you feel it exists, you can appreciate what she did. But if you don't buy social propoganda as an art form, there's little to find that's artistic here. And I think that's where a majority of the debate is centering - not on some claim about creating dialog about form and function of a woman's body.

BTW, can you pick me up one of those sofa paintings? Something with lots of greens and purples. I'll pay for shipping.

Interesting point...and, i certainly can appreciate your view on art students...i've experienced the same...i think even worse are drama students.

Performance Art. C'mon. At this stage of the game it is an established art form. There is a standard for what defines it: time, space, the performer's body and a relationship between performer and audience.

Of course, you do fall squarely in the classificatory disputes about art...but, usually people like yourself are on the losing side of the debate. In the late 1800s, Skinbasket the First (aka, Skinbasket the Terrible) thought cinema and photography weren't art. Other debates raged on cubist art and impressionistic paintings.

Her work: Well, i have to disagree. Her work meets the classification of performance art. furthermore, since she has a strong academic background..you don't get into yale by being lazy..i have to think that she put some real effort into this. Now, you may feel it is misguided,but you have to at least credit her for the idea and work.

Man, think of everything she did. The press releases..and then the quotes she gave..it was all well thought out and planned. She struck the write note everytime...the fake "woman's body" is her own..intended to rile up Fox news, etc.

If it wasn't executed perfectly, the blogosphere wouldn't have picked it up. Nor would papers.

Discussion: Your point is well taken. However, like most avant garde artists...she is concerned with her peers and a more literate audience. She can't be blamed because most people are stupid..can she? Hell, Giuliani couldn't understand Serrano's work. Just because Christo isn't understood doesn't mean he shouldn't do wha the does.

I mean, c'mon, she can't be blamed because someone like Kiwon,in his paranoid state, thinks she timed this to coincide with the Pope's visit..tho, if she had said that she had taken some roofies, had been diddled by priest and wasn't sure if the baby was one of theirs or immac conception..NOW THAT WOULDA BEEN GENIUS!

Comments: Where do you get morally superior from people thinking her work is great? Maybe intellectually so, but morally. I'm sensing that perhaps you were diddled by a priest.

Stross: New gen Brit sci fi writer. Award winner..hugo, nebula.

Hirst: British artist. Most famous for vivisection of shark in a formaldahyde (sp?). First major showing was of a i think cow's brain in a plastic cube..with maggots and flies surrounding it.

Ellis: Comic book writer. Marvel. Hellstrom, Excalibur, Iron Man, Fantastic Four, etc.

Paintings: I thought you could hook my up as the Carren thing was always advertised in Wisco. Can't get enough of crying clowns.

[packinpatland]

Never thought I'd be saying I wasn't proud of the fact that my daughter will be graduating from Yale next month.........but.....
knowing what my daughter has had to got thru to submit her thesis, the constant contact with advisors and professors....what were they thinking????at what point could not one of her advisors had said...'maybe this might not be the best of ideas'................but hey, made the news didn't they?

[LL2]

...........but hey, made the news didn't they?

That's all that matters these days.